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Daidraco

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Pemulis said:
Compared to the days of jumpers and pretty user-unfriendly BIOS settings, building a new PC is easier than most Lego sets. I’ve done three new builds in the last ten years, and each one has been easier than the last. Before that, I hadn’t built anything since DAoC/WoW
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I dont necessarily think its hard and if you can follow directions, then its downright easy to build. But there is a lot of shit thats mental that everyone on the internet warns you about and how terrible it is and the RMA process is god awful and even though you spent 5 bajillion dollars on this one part that holds the entire computer back, it might just be broke. But since it costs 5 bajillion dollars, you dont have a way to test if its really broken or not and and.. and.. and... .. ahh fuck, my g/f bumped my elbow while I had the processor in my hand and now the corner pin is bent. :emoji_woman::emoji_left_facing_fist:

In other words, peoples anxiety and a lack of a test bench really fucks people more than anything concerning a new build. I had a bad experience with a Bios update/setting way back in the early 2010's and it bricked the board. Ive had an unhealthy anxiety response to fucking with the Bios ever since then. MSI (...? been a minute) replaced the board, thankfully. But I sure af didnt mess with it anymore.

Then, the other side of that coin is that you would "expect" that a PC you get from Starforge or some fucking place that has a nominal build fee, would put it together properly and have the correct settings in the bios. So when you turn it on, "it just works."
 
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On the other hand you hear the stories of how some moron at the prebuilt assemble station accidentally uses epoxy instead of thermal paste to stick the cooler on the CPU. Mobo BIOS settings ain't going to fix that one.

Flashback buttons and CPU-less updating on quality boards are nice QoL that did not exist in the past. But you also didn't have to worry about using the same mobo across 4 generations of CPU and needing to update the BIOS to even boot a 13th or 14th gen proc.
 
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Kirun

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Can confirm what Khane Khane went through when I built in 2022. Had to RMA a dead CPU and went through hell with AMD, which required pictures of the serial number and all kinds of crazy shit. Then I had a dead mobo from Gigabyte I bought from Newegg that was hellacious to replace as well.

No part of the build was "hard", but I will 1000% just fork out a couple hundred bucks to have someone else handle all that bullshit next time. In all my time building PCs, it's always getting it running/windows installed that has been the bitch. Troubleshooting and part replacing has always been the easy part for me.
 
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Pretty much everyone's service sucks in one way or another. Building it yourself and getting all the parts from Amazon at least gives you the option for fairly easy returns on parts. You'll just have to deal with the crap warranty service once you're outside of the return window.
 
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TJT

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So I want to setup a NAS storage for the home network. Any preferences on what to get? Preferably the simplest most retard friendly.
 
Control

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TJT said:
Example?

I'm thinking
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It depends a bit on if you're just using it for storage or if you also care about backups and drive redundancy. If you want drive redundancy, then with a 2 bay, you're giving up half of your storage for it. I recently set up one of these: https://www.newegg.com/synology-ds1821/p/N82E16822108755
Definite overkill for most people, but I have plenty of storage and still have two drives of redundancy. It also depends on if you're happy only backing up essential files or if you want to backup/version entire drives. With this, I'm able to version all drives on both desktops, which isn't super necessary, but the Synology can do incremental backups, so it only stores the files that have changed. So that makes it pretty reasonable to version everything. ( I still need to do some work on my offsite backup though, bleh)

For the 10g part, some of their models support normal network cards instead of their proprietary ones that are multiples of the cost. I only had two desktops that needed to connect (at least via a fast connection), so I got the router recommended in the other thread and these cards:

It took a bit of tinkering to get everything set up (the network cards need different drivers, for example), but with the connection bridging, I can get 20g (not quite, maybe 15) to and from the nas, which is almost like copying files from one local drive to another. That's mostly convenience, but a fast enough network also lets you run programs directly from the nas which might not be reasonable over a standard 1g. That's pretty handy if you have some very heavy programs that you'd like to be able to use from multiple computers without duplicating the actual install.
 
TJT

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Control said:
It depends a bit on if you're just using it for storage or if you also care about backups and drive redundancy. If you want drive redundancy, then with a 2 bay, you're giving up half of your storage for it. I recently set up one of these: https://www.newegg.com/synology-ds1821/p/N82E16822108755
Definite overkill for most people, but I have plenty of storage and still have two drives of redundancy. It also depends on if you're happy only backing up essential files or if you want to backup/version entire drives. With this, I'm able to version all drives on both desktops, which isn't super necessary, but the Synology can do incremental backups, so it only stores the files that have changed. So that makes it pretty reasonable to version everything. ( I still need to do some work on my offsite backup though, bleh)

For the 10g part, some of their models support normal network cards instead of their proprietary ones that are multiples of the cost. I only had two desktops that needed to connect (at least via a fast connection), so I got the router recommended in the other thread and these cards:

It took a bit of tinkering to get everything set up (the network cards need different drivers, for example), but with the connection bridging, I can get 20g (not quite, maybe 15) to and from the nas, which is almost like copying files from one local drive to another. That's mostly convenience, but a fast enough network also lets you run programs directly from the nas which might not be reasonable over a standard 1g. That's pretty handy if you have some very heavy programs that you'd like to be able to use from multiple computers without duplicating the actual install.
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Not sure I understand. I don't care about redundancy per se. I thought 2 bay is just for s 2 drives of storage. I don't need more than a 2 drive NAS.
 
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Control

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TJT said:
Not sure I understand. I don't care about redundancy per se. I thought 2 bay is just for s 2 drives of storage. I don't need more than a 2 drive NAS.
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If you're not storing anything that needs to be able to survive a drive failure, then that's much easier. I just mean that if you need them raided in order to survive a drive failure, you basically lose 50% of your storage with two drives. With more drives, you can get a drive or two worth of redundancy by sacrificing a smaller % of your total storage.
 
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Intel 13th & 14th Gen CPUs Receive New BIOS To Fix eTVB Microcode Bug, "Default Settings" Guidance For Core i9, i7, i5 Chips To Address Instability

A new patch has been developed by Intel to resolve the eTVB bug and the company is working with its OEM/ODM partners such as motherboard manufacturers to roll out the BIOS as early as today. Intel once again states that while the eTVB bug is an issue that leads to instability, it's not the root cause of the instability issue.

As of writing this post, motherboard makers such as MSI have already rolled out the new BIOS updates for its Z790 lineup:

MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI – 7D89v1C3
MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI II - 7D89vA43
MPG Z790 CARBON MAX WIFI - 7D89vA43
MPG Z790 CARBON MAX WIFI II - 7D89vA43
Z790MPOWER - 7E01vP33

The new BIOS update including the B0671/125 microcode which is the fixed version and no longer has the associated algorithm bug.

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Lanx

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firefox is killing me w/ their memory leaks, i also hate rebooting so we'll just throw money at the problem and upgrade from 32 to 64
 
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