Doctor Who

I don't think we've seen the last of River Song. It is a time travel show you know. lol. I have a feeling she's going to show up again. Especially since The Doctor is currently mucking around inside his own timeline.

Stick to those guns! I wouldn't mind the Valeyard, but I'm not sure why the Dr would need a memory block and/or have memories of a future Doctor unless it's prior memories of the Valeyard from the Matrix or something. Also the Quentin Tarantino esque introduction of John Hurt should have said the Valeyard. That's the only stuff that keeps me from having that same theory.

Everything is possible at this point. Except it's not the Peter Cushing Doctor.

Good catch on the huge Tardis having the same window crack, I had missed that amongst the generally broken down look of it. Presumably it ties in with the ever so slowly moving explosion at the centre of the Tardis somehow and it not being able to easily heal itself anymore.

I'm sure River will be back and if they never show us onscreen when he tells her his name I can live with that, he's openly kissed her on the show now so the love will be there right up until Smith leaves the show at least. I'll frankly be astonished if the final River & Smith episode they do doesn't have him somehow getting her out of the Library computer for real or at least saving his own thought patterns in there so they can live together for eternity.

They should do another open plan control room for the next incarnation, they've been spreading downwards anyway so why not outwards instead next time. I loved the general concept of it in the 8 movie.

im gonna predict now while i have this stupid idea in my head. john hurt is actually Tennant's human Doctor who for some reason got separated from Rose Tyler in Dimension X and is now an old man. Rose finds smith's Doctor and they locate John Hurt' Doctor and somehow fix whats wrong with him and he becomes Tennant Doctor again but then dies and so does Rose. that or hes the real first Doctor like i mentioned earlier.

What we know:

1) He is a secret only The Doctor knows supposedly. This hints to the Time War, since there were other people who knew about The Valeyard (including TGI, who said as such in this episode) and the folks involved in the Time War are presumably all dead. So that rules out The Valeyard.

2) Clara did not see that Doctor regeneration, but presumably she had access to virtually his entire timeline. If that regeneration was during the Time Locked period of time, it would explain why Clara never saw him.

3) John Hurt says he did what he did for "peace and sanity". The Valeyard was just an asshole. However, The Doctor would have justified ending the Time War for those reasons.

4) He is wearing an amalgamation of clothing that was worn by 2 Doctors...both of which happen to bookend the Time War period.

He is the Time War version of The Doctor.

I presume the 50th special will have Tennant, Smith and Hurt together at the same time. I wonder how this speculated Time-War regeneration gets free of the time lock?

Jait_sl said:

Stick to those guns! I wouldn't mind the Valeyard, but I'm not sure why the Dr would need a memory block and/or have memories of a future Doctor unless it's prior memories of the Valeyard from the Matrix or something.

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Trial of the TimeLord. He knows the Valeyard is him, and he knows it WILL happen. It's an inevitability. This does kinda not mix with my previous theory of the Dreamlord being the genesis of the Valeyard, but still, I'll takes what I gets. However...

Cybsled_sl said:

What we know:

1) He is a secret only The Doctor knows supposedly. This hints to the Time War, since there were other people who knew about The Valeyard (including TGI, who said as such in this episode) and the folks involved in the Time War are presumably all dead. So that rules out The Valeyard.

2) Clara did not see that Doctor regeneration, but presumably she had access to virtually his entire timeline. If that regeneration was during the Time Locked period of time, it would explain why Clara never saw him.

3) John Hurt says he did what he did for "peace and sanity". The Valeyard was just an asshole. However, The Doctor would have justified ending the Time War for those reasons.

4) He is wearing an amalgamation of clothing that was worn by 2 Doctors...both of which happen to bookend the Time War period.

He is the Time War version of The Doctor.

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These are all really good points I find hard to argue with. But I still will, because it's the internet. 1) Yeah, probably, but I bet there's a little leeway in this. Like maybe, because all the Timelords are dead/temporal locked, he's the only one who knows what he will truly become. 2) shit, yeah, that's actually a good point 3) I kinda thought the same thing when I heard it. It's the version of the Doctor who "did what he had to" to end the Time War. 4) I had noticed the jacket and the vest, but hadn't put 1+1 yet. That's a pretty good idea, but the Doctor, generally, 100% changes his style between the regenerations. Doesn't mean he did, and this can't be him, but still. Basically, the more I think on this, the more likely it seems. But I stillwanthim to be the Valeyard.

Also (and I know a few have touched on this), it's interesting to consider Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor...with a little asterisk next to it, saying he had one regeneration that wasn't the Doctor (he said he wasn't, that the name was wrong or whatever, but that intro text said "The Doctor" throws me off).

Asmadai_sl said:

I presume the 50th special will have Tennant, Smith and Hurt together at the same time. I wonder how this speculated Time-War regeneration gets free of the time lock?

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I think the same way as the 10th...through that wound.

The 10th makes sense, he is as bad as the Valeyard in many ways. Even refusing regeneration to the point the TARDIS was nearly destroyed. The same Doctor that said he was the Victor of the Time War.

Ok. So maybe I'm hoping for a massive twist and 10 is really the bad guy.

edit: Ecclestone was definitely asked to take part in the 50th, he refused after about a month of negotiation. So they obviously thought it was really important to include 9-10-11. All the post-War Doctors. None of the other Doctors were even contacted. I really hope McGann will show up to regenerate into Hurt if he is the 9th.

Yeah the wound could do it I guess; I just saw it as multiple timelines to yank the 10th from post-Time War but this John Hurt regeneration should have his entire timeline time-locked with the war, which supports your theory as to why Clara wouldn't recognize him. Now if Hurt can escape the time-lock, I wonder if anything else does...great opp. to show us some of the unknown baddies from the War. Though I guess they did break the lock before so it's doable.

And yea bringing back McGann if only for a regeneration would be awesome.

I'm leaning more towards it being part of the time war, especially since the Great Intelligence made a point of saying something like 'the war on this world was tiny by the Doctor's standards, it was no time war, but billions still died'.

The only thing that strikes me as odd, is that the Doctor ending the time war/killing all the timelords isn't his biggest secret. He's told a handful of people, I can specifically remember him telling the Master and vaguely recall him telling others in ambiguous ways.

Good points Enzie. I started to wonder after seeing The Time War book in his library having a place of honor... that it was really odd. It'd be like the Emperor of Japan to have "The story of Hiroshimo and Nagasaki" on their shelf in 1946. Except the Doctor murdered all his own people including his family (possibly even his mom). You'd want to run away from that too. So why have a book enshrined in your library and seemingly well-read?

I think the Cybermen episode alluded to the Doctor having almost 2% of his brain locked off, (even from himself?). So while he knows the events and emotions from the war, he doesn't want to remember the details. The only time this ever came up was with the Doctor's Daughter Jenny and he started to cry and just nodded to having killed many people as a soldier. All of the other times the Doctor talks about the war almost distantly. Well all except End of Time.

River Song seems to back this up. When the Doctor gets all dark and angry at Demon's Run, River explains that if he keeps going like this what will he become? The potential is always there, and as the Intelligence explained in the Doctor's future he'll become Storm, Beast, and The Valeyard. So River is definitely trying to re-write things. I also forgot until just now that River also said she could re-write fixed points, and the Doctor hasn't told her that yet. So I imagine that'll come into play further down the road if the actors want to continue in the roles.

Something tells me we'll all be way off and the 50th will be a musical.

Also keep in mind that there's perhaps at least one or two more TARDIS regenerations that need to take place as the Sonic Screwdriver she had in the Library was very different from the ones Tennent and Smith use. Assuming they do what they can to connect the dots there.

I could be wrong but the sonic he's using currently since his recent wardrobe change with Clara being around looks slightly different.

maybe john hurt's doc really is the original doc and our doctor committed ID theft and took his title to bugger off around the galaxy.

NEWS ROUND UP:

No Wilf for the 50th:http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-w...ersary-special

Nice theory piece from Den of Geek:http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-w...-of-the-doctor

Nice piece from Den of Geek on the top 11 other Doctors:http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-w...-other-doctors


Funny coincidence :

Phazael_sl said:

My gut feeling says that the Hurt version has to be from the future, since the Tenzalore place was both the tomb of the Doctor and the site of some giant conflict where he wiped out the entire world, suggesting that perhaps that this version of the Doctor was being imprisoned there as some form of punishment.

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Reading this, I just realized that maybe the doctor recognized John Hurt because he has seen shards of his future by going into his own time stream/strand/whatever you want to call it

The black queen is over 300 years old. Dunno how a human born today could live that long. And that is not the baby grown up. That planet is way the fuck across the galaxy

That's why he wrote "coincidence" Chuk

I liked the Den of Geek article.

Jait_sl said:

That's why he wrote "coincidence" Chuk

I liked the Den of Geek article.

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in his defense, i did originally put theory, albiet jokingly