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iannis

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Gotta love how Tanoomba tries to point out similarities between Anita and Protein World, even though he has done pretty much nothing but defend Anita for hundreds of posts and immediately attacked Protein World.



I am not sure this distinction exists. Looking at Protein World, looks like the difference is that Protein world is almost literally selling snake oil and Anita is just figuratively selling snake oil.
Proteen makes you git swoll. SCIENCE FACTS.
 

Tanoomba

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Soy: "In what way do people bitching about her here influence the kind of money she is making?"

Well, anybody in a neutral position who reads the anti-Sarkeesian posts here (including many lurkers) is gonna think "Holy shit, these guys are fucking nuts". Why? Because the VAST majority of posts made about her have fuck all to do with her work and everything to do with attacking her personally, which not only doesn't count as legitimate criticism but is obviously a paper-thin excuse to create a villain to rally against. In fact, somebody reading the posts on this board might not even realize there is a wealth of legitimate criticism leveled against Sarkeesian that focuses on the many flaws in her actual work. A neutral party may very well get the impression that she is being unjustly attacked because she is a woman or because she's a feminist or because she's challenging video game "norms" or whatever. They may be tempted to see her as a sympathetic figure, since no valid reasons were given why she deserves the harsh labels being forced upon her.

Heck, it's been made clear many times that it's not enough to have her work looked at critically and discussed objectively. Nope, it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY that she be exposed as a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite. If a neutral party sees that he/she literally has no choice but to assume the offended party is completely irrational. How could they not?

I'm not saying Rerolled is responsible for X dollars in Sark's account, but we (Rerolled) have provided plenty of evidence that the internet is full of assholes who want a fight for the sake of a fight and are eager and willing to abandon logic and reason to get one. That's the kind of shit that pushes SJWs (and, to be fair, probably many who are not even SJWs) into donating, if only to feel like they're taking a stand against irrational angry assholes.
 

hodj

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blah blah ethics in science thread stuff blah blah
The difference between me and you is you actually give a shit what people here think. I couldn't give a flying fuck. I just like to argue and know I'm right, so argue I will.

Also you choose to fight on turf that you don't have any understanding of, no background in educationally, and that is pointless. Gamergate is like the dumbest fucking issue on the planet. Who gives a shit if some retards on the internet are threatening some fat cunts? Who gives a shit if some fat cunts are mad at an advertising arm of some company is peddling protein powders with sexy cunts in bikinis? Literally no one. Its all a joke. Join the dogpile and laugh at the stupid.

Ethics in medicine and the sciences actually matters, and it is somewhat educational and an interesting topic to see what both sides have to say on the matter.

And again, you aren't being silenced for your points of view, but rather for the way you express them.
 

Tanoomba

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What's with your obsession, Lurkingdirk? How about you mind your own name and leave it at that?
 

hodj

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I think you guys have missed the boat on the A Moon Bat stuff.

Should really consider like "The Reverend Sun Myung Moon" or "Reverend Moonie" something like that.

Oh what's the Korean word for bat?

BAKJI! The Reverend Wiseong Bakji! The Reverend Moon Bat in Korean!

Its genius.
 

Mario Speedwagon

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lol "Anita wasn't selling anything! She was speaking her mind and people decided to shower her with money!"

You never cease to amaze me Tan.
 

Sebudai

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"Don't push back against young earth creationists, guys. Just let them spout their bullshit and force it into classrooms. If you argue against it, it just makes them stronger. Shut your mouth and just let it happen." - Tanoomba
 

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"Don't push back against young earth creationists, guys. Just let them spout their bullshit and force it into classrooms. If you argue against it, it just makes them stronger. Shut your mouth and just let it happen." - Tanoomba
Comparisons like this have been pointed out to tanoomba time and time again. I like the young earth creationists one though, as Anita really is trying to put her shit in schools.

Tanoomba is immune to any of this though, he is far too entrenched in his own asshole.
 

Tanoomba

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Dr. Mario: "lol 'Anita wasn't selling anything! She was speaking her mind and people decided to shower her with money!'

You never cease to amaze me Tan."

Funny, that's not remotely what I said. Not even close. Either your reading comprehension is terrible or you're being intentionally ignorant. Try again.

Seb: "'Don't push back against young earth creationists, guys. Just let them spout their bullshit and force it into classrooms. If you argue against it, it just makes them stronger. Shut your mouth and just let it happen.' - Tanoomba"

Ah, this old straw man. No matter how many times I bury it, you are always happy to dig it up and pretend it still holds some semblance of validity.

Let me clarify for the thousandth fucking time:

Legitimate criticism works against bullshit. Logic and reason are, in fact, the ONLY tools that work against bullshit. There has been a ton of fantastic legitimate criticism leveled towards Sarkeesian, and I'm pretty confident that no neutral person who ever read any of it felt that she was being unfairly targeted and decided to fight back by supporting her financially.

YOUR (and I mean YOU, Sebudai, specifically) approach, the "some people are terrible enough to DESERVE to be publicly shamed and ridiculed" rationalization, is fucking garbage. It makes you look like the vindictive, bloodthirsty, irrational asshole you are. Your presumption that you are in any position to decide who needs to be "punished" and how is asinine. It's almost as bad as Hodj's belief that he knows the first fucking thing about me and is therefore justified in his generous doling out of ridiculous punishments for made-up reasons. Neutral people see through that shit and are naturally turned off by it. They are forced to assume you're the bad guy, and with good reason.

Do you really think mocking and ridiculing creationists is what's keeping them out of classrooms? I got news for you: It isn't. In fact, when people are treated that way they tend to double down on their beliefs and push back even harder because they feel they are being unfairly treated. They also pay less attention to the legitimate criticism leveled at them because the assholes are the ones that are easier to argue with (on the grounds that they're being assholes).

It's really simple: Do you think Sarkeesian's a threat? If you do, then take her down by legitimately criticizing her work. That's the only actually productive tool at your disposal. Lashing out with personal attacks based on subjective misinterpretations only hurts your supposed cause. It's more fun, sure, but it is the very definition of counterproductive. I am truly sorry you are unable to grasp this simple point. In all likelihood, you're simply choosing to pretend this is not the case because you can't accept a world where you can't tell yourself you're doing the "right thing" by being a complete and total asshole.
 

Mario Speedwagon

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"The way I see it, Sarkeesian wasn't selling anything at all. She was speaking her mind."

Yeah, you're right. I definitely have trouble reading. Not even remotely close to what you said.
 

Tanoomba

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It's the "and people decided to shower her with money!" part I take issue with, genius.
 

khalid

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Legitimate criticism works against bullshit. Logic and reason are, in fact, the ONLY tools that work against bullshit. There has been a ton of fantastic legitimate criticism leveled towards Sarkeesian, and I'm pretty confident that no neutral person who ever read any of it felt that she was being unfairly targeted and decided to fight back by supporting her financially.

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Do you really think mocking and ridiculing creationists is what's keeping them out of classrooms? I got news for you: It isn't. In fact, when people are treated that way they tend to double down on their beliefs and push back even harder because they feel they are being unfairly treated. They also pay less attention to the legitimate criticism leveled at them because the assholes are the ones that are easier to argue with (on the grounds that they're being assholes).
As usual, Tanoomba misses the ENTIRE POINT.

Yes, ridiculing people will radicalize the crazies. Who cares, these people won't change their mind regardless of what you do. However, what it does do is make other people embarrassed to associate with them. It exposes other people to how silly their position is. It does so in bitesized chunks that are easier to spread. It also changes the middle of the road supporters, who don't want to be associated with the crazies or laughed at.

Also, if you don't think ridicule has had a huge effect on pushing creationism out of almost all mainstream places, well, you are as ignorant as a ... Tanoomba... on this subject.
 
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