EQ Never

you can't have instanced content in an MMO. If you have instanced content then you're just playing an online game like Diablo 3. Content is fueled by player interaction which is fueled by scarcity of resources. Resources are raids, bosses, loot. If those are instanced you automatically eliminate one of the major features of an MMORPG. Competing over spawns, racing to spawns, creating alliances, formulating treaties, having rivalries, etc. These are organic elements fueled by competition. Without competition you have nothing and you will just have another game that people quit after 1 month.

There is NO WAY to have instancing in a game without creating a moral hazard. People will always take the easiest path towards an objective. They will log in, group with friends, zone into a raid, finish a raid, then log out. This is what WoW and every other game has become. The world is nothing more than a virtual lobby. You will never avoid this if you have instanced content.

The next true innovation for an MMORPG will be to go back instead of forward and recreate what the original genre was all about. A sandbox with PVE content without instancing. Would you rather be a participant in a fantasy world, or a spectator puppet going through the motions predetermined for you by a game designer. One thing is for sure, I will never play another ?MMORPG? that cheats me out of participating in a virtual world due to the complete antisocial element of instancing. If I want an anti-social experience, I have many great single player games available to me.

I agree with Soy.

I haven't gamed much at all lately, especially MMOs having burned so many times. I'm keeping my expectations low. Having said that I'd be lying if I didn't own up to the fact that I have a nostalgia boner with this franchise. This is my last shot at the genre, if EQN fails to deliver I'm hanging up the PvP hat I've wore since 1996.

Can't be having anyone come here and talk to us 3 days in advance about shit openly.

Not like we're one of the most hardcore EQ enthusiast communities on earth.

Fucking MMORPG.com gets a sneak peak and we don't even get a discussion! What are we!? CHOPPED LIVER!?

Ayeshala_sl said:

SOE being cheeky

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Lol

Nirgon_sl said:

Fucking MMORPG.com gets a sneak peak and we don't even get a discussion! What are we!? CHOPPED LIVER!?

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Devs used to come here and talk sometimes. Utnayan drove them all off pretty much single-handedly.

Ya... I remember quite a few testosterone fueled witch hunts on fohguild.org. Not sure I'd go as far as saying Utnayan is the only one responsible. His critiques were certainly the most personal, since he knows the player involved... But to this day we have nobodies making fun of Brad's drug problem like he was he first person in history to get hooked on OxyContin and fuck pussy when he got rich.

I wouldn't come here either.

Pretty sure it was them not having a product to sell that stopped them coming here. Also it is a risk to come to a board that for the most part has informed gamers. You can't get away with as much bullshit PR talk.

Hating on someone for getting high and slayin pussy? Dunno why you would. That shit is great.

Soygen_sl said:

That's definitely not what drove off McQuaid or Schilling. Vanguard and 38 Studios failing is what pretty much guaranteed their departure from the community. They no longer had a product to sell us.

Now I'm not saying Ut didn't go crazy on them and others, but I don't really lay their leaving at his feet.

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Schilling maybe, but Brad leaving was definitely Utnayan's fault.

As someone who only moderately followed and posted on FoH over the last 10+ years, it took months to even realize this site (Rerolled) was even up and running in its place. One day I tried clicking on FoH and simply found the "That's it I'm out folks" or whatever nonsense it says now. Granted I only did a few Google searches trying to find out what happened, but it was all fruitless. My point is, how big of a presense does this new site even have that were outside "the know"? I only stumbled across the site finally this month.

How many current Devs would go through the trouble of finding this place, especially after a name change to something fairly obscure?

Just my thought.

This community can be a cesspool at times and its certainly not worth the bull shit to actually come here as a developer (under a name people would recognize) and post only to get personally attacked and everything you post nit picked and bitched about by people that probably aren't your target market to begin with. Look at some of the shit people post here about what they want in a game. Sure there are some good thoughts and ideas from certain people but the overall level of retardation is pretty high and you have to wade through a lot of shit to find the gems.

The saddest part about it is that I liked Brad and Curt. Sure, they had a job to do. They were proud of their products and were trying to get us pumped on them too... But we REALLY collectively shoved our epeens in their asses, and the community has been worse for it since.

If you guys think Draegan is gonna get a single beta key I think you better check yourself.

Kedwyn_sl said:

This community can be a cesspool at times and its certainly not worth the bull shit to actually come here as a developer (under a name people would recognize) and post only to get personally attacked and everything you post nit picked and bitched about by people that probably aren't your target market to begin with. Look at some of the shit people post here about what they want in a game. Sure there are some good thoughts and ideas from certain people but the overall level of retardation is pretty high and you have to wade through a lot of shit to find the gems.

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We are CERTAINLY no worse than MMORPG.com.

Their absence is a statement to how they've been treated in the past. Not because of the demographic of these boards.

**for reference, check out what they did to the devs of Greedmonger... It's fohguild.org worthy shit.

Thicker skin about your product is one thing. Thicker skin about some of the really personal shit shouldn't be an expectation.

Quaid_sl said:

The saddest part about it is that I liked Brad and Curt. Sure, they had a job to do. They were proud of their products and were trying to get us pumped on them too... But we REALLY collectively shoved our epeens in their asses, and the community has been worse for it since.

If you guys think Draegan is gonna get a single beta key I think you better check yourself.

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Brad and Curt were never part of the community. They were salesmen who infiltrated the community to hawk their snake oil. All buddy buddy to garner hype and push their product. They couldn't give a flying fuck about the people on the forum. As soon as their shit goes bust they're gone. They're not gamers, they're businessmen with dollar signs in their eyes. Most people that loved Brad and Curt were total jock riders looking to impress someone with influence and garner some sort of favor.

Actually, Curt hung around for quite some time before he even had a product to sell.