EQ Never

Malakriss_sl said:

If that was more than bullet points expanded out to 1 page of fluff it might be worth something. Unfortunately it is only a few actual points from the grass is greener side and doesn't even touch on the overall gameplay. But that's the problem, there isn't overall gameplay yet, and they haven't even talked about overall gameplay yet.

People who are wearing rose-colored glasses this early are hard to take seriously. Hard facts that we know are bad outweigh ruby slippers and wonder wishing.

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Aye, there was a lot less revealed than I was expecting given their previous promises. Game is still a loooong way from release.

http://www.eqnexus.com/2013/08/soe-l...-class-system/

http://www.eqnexus.com/2013/08/soe-l...dmark-updates/

http://www.eqnexus.com/2013/08/soe-l...est-next-lore/

http://www.eqnexus.com/2013/08/soe-l...-a-game-world/

Grim1_sl said:

Aye, there was a lot less revealed than I was expecting given their previous promises. Game is still a loooong way from release.

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I'm getting that impression too... But if it's so far off, why are they already taking Beta sign ups?

kudos_sl said:

Can someone link me to a complete write up of everything so I don't have to browse this entire thread?

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I guess I'll put together some links for those who don't want to read through hundreds of pages:

Debut Overview|EverQuest Next Debut Video 1/2(Skip to 26:30 if not interested in lore/sand art) |EverQuest Next Debut Video 2/2

2nd Day Recap

EverQuest Next LandMark Panel Overview

EverQuest Next Class Panel Overview|Class Panel Video 1/2|Class Panel Video 2/2

EverQuest Next Lore Overview|Lore Panel Video 1/2|Lore Panel Video 2/2

EverQuest Next World Overview

EverQuest Next Q&A Panel Video 1/2|EverQuest Next Q&A Panel Video 2/2

Tad did some great live blogging of most panels athttp://eqn.junkiesnation.com/as well, although they're bit raw and somewhat harder to follow if you haven't been reading all the information upon release.

Dumar_sl said:

Yep, wait for EQ Classic.

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EQC is dead bro.

Quaid_sl said:

I'm getting that impression too... But if it's so far off, why are they already taking Beta sign ups?

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If I recall correctly the first beta is for Landmark. Seems they need to get feedback and ideas on world building with voxels from the community. It is new tech, having a bunch of people test it out and find the kinks for free makes sense.

EQNext is the long term project that will benefit from Landmark's early release and lessons learned. I recall seeing an employment add from SoE looking for EQN level builders just a few short weeks ago, and it seemed weird since the game was supposed to be released so soon. It still might make end of first quarter of 2014, but I'll bet it's later than that.

Exclusive: EverQuest Next Interview With Dave Georgeson

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/eve...#disqus_thread

tower_sl said:

You're probably right...but at least with subs there is potential they will reinvest a fraction of it into the actual game. The only motivation to investing in a cash shop game is to make the cash shop more of a money sucker. I haven't always been Mr. Moneybags, unlike many here I'm still in my mid-20s. I paid $15 a month as a broke high school student, then as an even broker college student. However, I haven't paid for a single MMO since I've actually had money because none of them are worth my time much less my cash. I had GW2 preordered but was able to cancel after realizing it didn't have the foundation to last during the beta.

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Which is kinda why it makes sense to make a sandbox with player driven pvp. If you do it right and items enter the world through crafting and exit the world when you die you create an endless loop of needing more items so crafting never dries up. And you have the pvp territory control over stuff people want creating conflict and keeping people playing.

Look at EVE 0.0 empires, the titan was added to the game 6 years ago and is still the endgame ship in so far as there is an endgame ship, they add some new stuff all the time but for the most part a sandbox self perpetuates far better than a themepark and you don't need those new raid zones every 3 months because the old raid zones never go obsolete.

If they make the game like EQ1 where you never lose anything and once you get that sword of whatever and your cloak of flames from the dragon you can be done with that content forever then they might have a problem and need to constantly inflate the games gear to keep people playing. Lets hope they don't do that. One because that would mean that when you strip away all the fluff the game is no different than the themeparks and two because no company can keep up with those content cycles especially when they are focused on the cash shop.

Quaid_sl said:

I'm getting that impression too... But if it's so far off, why are they already taking Beta sign ups?

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Earliest release date Sep 2014. Latest June 2015. Heavily dependent on how much players contribute via landmark. Thus the enormous window.

I predict more traditional eq3 announced next year/early 2015 once eqnext beta is humming along. soe would be stupid not to given 80% if the game would already be made in eqn.

Grim1_sl said:

Aye, there was a lot less revealed than I was expecting given their previous promises. Game is still a loooong way from release.

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SoE is trying to get everyone into Landmark, which is their minecraft. In their ideal world, people play Landmark for the next year, really have fun with building worlds and shit, and a year or so from now when EQN enters beta people transition nicely from Landmark into EQN. Basically keep EQN always in the back of everyone's mind, and cleanly move into their "money making" product of EQN. If they just announced Landmark without EQN, no one would give a fuck, it would just be nonstop "LOL, SOE is building a shitty Minecraft!"

Sadly the reality is that EQN is 2+ years away from release, and Landmark will probably get a huge spurt of excitement and then fade away as stuff you want to do in Landmark you can't do and SOE can't pour tons of time and resources into it (delaying EQN even more). OR people start modding Landmark and it turns into its own little amazing sandbox, like the time Minecraft got roller coast abilities and people were blowing themselves about it.

tad10_sl said:

I predict more traditional eq3 announced next year/early 2015

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Although it's been derailed so many times, let's start the hope train once more, all aboard!

Just meant potentially 4 kos factions. Pvp will be eve. Tiers will be equiv to security levels. Tier 5 is 0.0

Keep it coming tad. You ae single handedly unrustling my jimmies

spronk_sl said:

SoE is trying to get everyone into Landmark, which is their minecraft. In their ideal world, people play Landmark for the next year, really have fun with building worlds and shit, and a year or so from now when EQN enters beta people transition nicely from Landmark into EQN. Basically keep EQN always in the back of everyone's mind, and cleanly move into their "money making" product of EQN. If they just announced Landmark without EQN, no one would give a fuck, it would just be nonstop "LOL, SOE is building a shitty Minecraft!"

Sadly the reality is that EQN is 2+ years away from release, and Landmark will probably get a huge spurt of excitement and then fade away as stuff you want to do in Landmark you can't do and SOE can't pour tons of time and resources into it (delaying EQN even more). OR people start modding Landmark and it turns into its own little amazing sandbox, like the time Minecraft got roller coast abilities and people were blowing themselves about it.

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We have a winner! Everything you said is spot on, I have been saying for the last 1 year that it would not be playable this year as well as the cartoon character models.
Landmark is to get players thinking about Next now, as well they hope a lot of players will design stuff in landmark to save SOE the time and money, then they can just smoothly move them over to the Next both the created stuff as well as the players.

tad10_sl said:

Just meant potentially 4 kos factions. Pvp will be eve. Tiers will be equiv to security levels. Tier 5 is 0.0

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Is this speculation or based on someone you spoke to or something?

From what they've talked about, the lore panel in particular, I wouldn't be too surprised if the game launches with everyone starting in one city (or maybe 1-3, to accommodate those races that aren't part of the Combine), but then have then have the Rallying Cries to create a bunch of the other cities, which become new starting locations for the appropriate races. So a couple years down the line, we've got the EQ1 situation where every race has its own city and territories again.

tad10_sl said:

Earliest release date Sep 2014. Latest June 2015. Heavily dependent on how much players contribute via landmark. Thus the enormous window.

I predict more traditional eq3 announced next year/early 2015 once eqnext beta is humming along. soe would be stupid not to given 80% if the game would already be made in eqn.

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What would make you think they would announce an EQ3? I understand that EQN and a potential EQ3 would be two very different games but is there enough market to validate making another game? That sounds like a financial exposure that someone like SoE wouldn't be willing to risk.

EQN might not be that far away. The AI is the big question, if it is as good as they say and its close to done they can kinda just plop their mobs down in the world and let people go at it. World building doesnt really take that long.

Shit like art and classes are what take lots of time, but I dont see them delaying until 2015 to get a few extra classes and armor sets in.

tad10_sl said:

Earliest release date Sep 2014. Latest June 2015. Heavily dependent on how much players contribute via landmark. Thus the enormous window.

I predict more traditional eq3 announced next year/early 2015 once eqnext beta is humming along. soe would be stupid not to given 80% if the game would already be made in eqn.

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LOL. why do you keep mentioning an EQ3? this IS their EQ3. they aren't making shit after EQN (at least not for another 10 years). i've known you for a long time, tad, since way back whenever even on FOH, and i know you're just as upset as i am about this game, but it is what it is. there isn't going to be an EQ3 that's more in line with the original EQ. this is george lucas making the prequels all over again. people were excited, until they saw how horrible they were, and no amount of white knighting was going to make those prequels good. unfortunately, we have the same problem here.