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Wait, what? Those games are fucking dead relics, you can't cannibalize them at this point. Put out a brand new game with similar mechanics, updated graphics, and world building and you obviously have a fuckton more players playing it than EQ1+2 combined.
tad10
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pvp is in. Kos in. Some elements speculation such as number could be 3. Evelike is speculation but it is not ffa. People going to freak when announced.
Grim1
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The market for a EQ3 is much larger than those two games. Their graphics are old and dated, and many people have already played those games. Most mmo players want to play games with new graphics options.
But I agree that they wont make EQ3, because, as you say, they don't want to cannibalize the other games. They also don't have the balls to make that game. That is why EQNext is so different, which is what I always expected it would be.
Muligan
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This. Let's face it. That market will be scattered throughout EMU's, random MMO's that last for a month, and games like LoL. There's nothing for us out there, well at least nothing tailored, and we just have to accept while our money is still money it just doesn't compare to the money to be made from the casual, cater to me masses.
Let's not give up guys. I'm as skeptical as the next guy just because of my previous dealings with Georgeson in EQII but, maybe there is enough of us to matter. Maybe they'll make a game that is more for us than we think. (Thought I would be a little more optimistic.)
They were making EQ3 and scrapped it to make EQN because after the last batch of raid games failed they decided that wasn't the way forward.
Give it up guys, its not gonna happen. They dont want to make a game with such a small potential audience. I am sure that decision is just going to reinforce itself when FFXIV starts to falter 4ish months from now.
Give it up guys, its not gonna happen. They dont want to make a game with such a small potential audience. I am sure that decision is just going to reinforce itself when FFXIV starts to falter 4ish months from now.
at this point, my only hope for a good MMO is either the people that made dark souls decide to make dark souls the MMO, or the people that do EVE decide to give a high fantasy game a shot. aside from those two options, i don't see it happening.
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tad10
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Mr Creed
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Pretty much this. The only reason they dont do it I guess is that EQ1/2 are actually still running and supported and making EQ1HD would probably collapse them. Anyway, I'm in favor of a EQ1HD project, no matter if its SOE or some fresh team on a kickstarter - but I would prefer SOE. Just as long as EQ1HD is the declared goal of a small team and if they run with their new open development processes I think that could work. Works for PS2, anyway. For example PS2 send "implants" back to the drawing board because of negative player feedback despite the fact that the presented incarnation would've been good revenue. That's very unlike the management approach they still use for EQ1/2/alltheirboughtIPs.
As it is though, you folks should probably go read up on black desert, or maybe hope that marc jacobs is blowing smoke with his pvp game and turns it into trials of atlantis to make more money.
I think the actual EQN game is really just these concepts, they couldnt show more. But with the schedule of Landmark it was make a good impact now or dribble it out over a year, and I think they made the right choice. Tjheir innovation is gonna be better received in the rest of the gaming world where people dont cling to their decade old notions like us here and the kind of people that fly to vegas for the EQ fan faire.I agree Malakriss. They did not do a good job at all of showing their player base what exactly they are doing. There are too many unknowns, nebulous answers, and things that don't make much sense. They should have waited and done the reveal later when they are better prepared, with more solid information, and better videos to show. This seems half-assed and simply not ready to show. They should've just done a reveal video with some fly throughs and thats it. Just a tease. All these panels have not really cleared up things, instead they're making a lot of the player base confused; which of course is very easy to do.
Entirely agreed, I like the idea of having my character and being the culmination of what I did and discovered, instead of logging over to my crafting/tanking/battleground alt. I havent played FFXI but people often praise the multiclassing you had there, so its not completely new. GW1 multiclassing was also similar. Both devolved into "accepted builds" and "noob builds" of course, but that's a social issue you really cannot prevent.
Yea I kinda agree, they are turning it on it's head anyway so why do it. I wouldnt care if they changed all the EQ gameplay (and they seem to do that) but if they also rape the lore they might as went with a different background that didnt restrict them.
they scrapped the game they were making because it was just like WoW, not because it was like the original EQ. at least sound like you know what you're talking about...
It will all hinge on how gear and resources work I think, if gear needs to be constantly replaced and territory control becomes important so you can control the resources needed for high end gear they will have a success, even if it is faction based and not FFA.
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Meh, I'm pretty pumped on EQN at this point, despite my disappointment regarding combat mechanics. I may just be experiencing said disappointment because I'm projecting GW2s failures on EQN without fully comprehending what their AI will supposedly do for encounters. If their AI is such that the trinity becomes some archaic form of PC/mob interaction, ill be quite happy.
But, i'll believe it when I see it.
But, i'll believe it when I see it.
Mr Creed
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You might find it funny but yea - If I want to play an assassin because I find it fun, I would appreciate that being ok. It was ok in EQ1 when I played that game. Depending on the year we are talking about or the relevant content, certain classes were entirely pointless, just needed as buff bots or a token 1 of them to loot the class items. We never kicked the extras because we didnt have to, it was ok if their mechanics werent as strong. Dropping people like hot potatoes wasnt as much of a thing when you didnt have raid caps.
That's really not a concept anymore, and freely switching classes is not supportive of allowing Bob to play his assassin because its too easy for him to contribute better as the scoundrel he has also unlocked but doesnt enjoy playing. Its alot easier to make Bob switch to scoundrel with the click of the button then to tell him to level and AA a scoundrel from scratch. So the bottom line is Bob plays as a scoundrel despite not wanting to because of peer pressure ... kinda questions their reasong for why they killed the trinity (supposedly so people dont feel forced to play tanks).
I never thought GW2s combat was that bad. The decisions to muddy the roles and remove healers is kinda what fucked up their pve, not the combat itself, and I think EQN is going to be less twitch than GW2 was. The actual 8 button thing with weapon swaps was a good idea I thought, and I really liked it especially in pvp.
Mr Creed
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Just to comment on GW2, it doesnt have multiclassing. That was GW1. I they had release GW2 as is (which is mediocre and rushed) but had a character abilitiy concept like GW1 it would have been MUCH better. If anything the lack of multiclassing and skill hunting shortens the time GW2 keeps the players engaged considerably.
No major company is ever going to make a game as hardcore as EQ because there just aren't that many people who would play it. Slapping a new coat of paint on mechanics from 1999 isn't a winning idea.
I also don't get why you hate on multiclassing but then talk about how you want a fantasy version of EVE. EVE is like the king of horizontal multiclassing.
And rift sucks because it was half quest based and half event based so they pulled their dick out halfway through making meaningful events. So you get meaningless easily reversible events because they didnt want to fuck up their quest progression by letting the AI actually do things. And also because rift was level based and instead of letting you hop around the world doing cool events you were restricted to two high end zones cutting you off from like 90% of the events in the game after your week of leveling was done. And also because the rewards from events sucked because instead of making a good event based game they tried to make a raiding game too and put all the good loot in raids.