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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Muligan
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Not at all.. I generalizing somewhat and while I agree with you I also disagree. I think there were some gameplay mechanics that actually enhanced gameplay. I feel that EQ2 did the best with housing and Auction Houses. I loved going through EC, much more than I ever did the Nexus, I think that selling in EC was a connecting point among players as was many other mechanics that was not modernized. However, I am willing to meet in the middle on some things. Allowing Warriors to bind and everyone to gate or travel by clicking a button, to me, impacts the integrity of the game. In the world created by fantasy, it is contradictive for certain classes to do certain things. Simply put, Wizards cast spells, warriors do not. We are splitting hairs though and back to the main point. There is middle ground here and there is a game to be made. You can preserve the core game of Everquest and still make it tolerable. You do not need gimmicks and I consider the majority of what I saw in the EQN presentation gimmicks. I honestly didn't feel that I saw anything that reflects the true essence of my playing experience.
tad10
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SOE should continue to make EQN as it is. LOLCRAFTMMORPG.
But they should almost make EQ3 with trinity, EQ/VG combat and Innoruuk.
Soygen
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Another EQ game is probably not even on the drawing board at SOE right now. This is their EQ3, regardless of whether or not we all agree it's an "Everquest" game. You don't really think they're going to concurrently(or even in the next 5 years) start development on another Everquest MMO, do you?
Convo
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Pretty much. The shit they are doing with destructible world can really create some awesome content. Just in the harvesting area alone.
tad10
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Threat assessment + Utility analysis (or wtf Dave Mark calls it). Wiz is firebombing me, I will kill him, unless 5 guys are standing in my way, then I will attempt to take out a few of those so I can get to the Wiz.
They answered this but backtracked. Backtrack is likely the real answer
-Original: Founding of Halas, you can work against it and maybe Halas isn't founded.
-New: Founding of Halas, you can work against it (maybe wood needed, so you burn down a forest, etc.) however there will be alternate methods of advancement. So you can slow it down, maybe slow it waaaaaay down, but Halas gets founded.
tad10
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Yes. It's the same world and 90% of the same assets/lore - and whatever is different (Kelethin) can be built by players in Landmark. Only thing different is a combat/class system and SOE is already doing that: Landmark is EQN but with a different combat/class system.
As I said:
Pure Creatives -> Landmark
PvPers -> EQN
PvEers -> EQ3
I think SOE should simply say in response to the fury: if you guys build EQ3 in Landmark we'll meet you half way and put in the Combat/Classes.
Randin
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For those who are railing against the removal of the trinity, I have a question that I'm curious about. Are you against the removal of the trinity no matter what, or do you actually like what SOE was talking about regarding ramping up the AI so that tactics need to evolve beyond the trinity, but fear combat will turn into a shitstorm if they fail?
If it's the latter, it seems to me like it would make more sense to give them the opportunity to prove their ability or inability to improve the AI before coming down on it; if they succeed, then awesome, we've finally gotten a worthy successor to the trinity, if they fail, then we can start petitioning them hardcore to start adding more structure to the combat. If they're serious about listening to the fan base during development, they might actually listen if they realize they can't accomplish their ideal for combat.
If it's the latter, it seems to me like it would make more sense to give them the opportunity to prove their ability or inability to improve the AI before coming down on it; if they succeed, then awesome, we've finally gotten a worthy successor to the trinity, if they fail, then we can start petitioning them hardcore to start adding more structure to the combat. If they're serious about listening to the fan base during development, they might actually listen if they realize they can't accomplish their ideal for combat.
Srathor
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My take on the spin.
40! classes!!! - Yeah like the 33 classes in wow. You know Arms warrior, Prot warrior, Fury warrior. Three "classes" 37 more to go. Insert primary damage ability for the "varied" classes Mortal strike, Shield Slam, Bloodthirst.
Destructibility!!! - Sure you can dig there. With a Mithril pickax, that has 100 charges. Purchasable with Station Cash. Oh it leads nowhere, Just keep digging you are bound to find adventure!
No holy trinity!!! - Right. GW2 tried it and screwed it up. Without the ability to cover for Timmy the special snowflake group combat will be a chore. So lots of soloing ahead!
Emergent AI!!!!! - If the mob does the right thing all of the time, faster than you can think, with perfect timing. Gosh that sounds like fun. See GW2 and the mob chasing one dude while he kites and then switching on target changes to a new kiter. Yay every fight will be Buru.
Rallying points!!! - Public quests that take a long time to complete because people can act like dicks but only to a point because we do not want griefing that would actually have a consequence.
Actions have consequences!!!! - Devspeak for you can do anything you want, as long as we approve it first. Oh and we do not approve of that, or that, or that, stop that or you will be banned.
Tiered play with no levels!!!!! - Once you get gear in each slot, complete this cave section, befriend 3 villagers and kill 3 captain tiered monsters you are considered tier 2 or you know, level 20 in every other game ever made. But do not fret you have a quest now from your city lord to find out the mysteries of the Blademaster! (fury warrior, level 20-30 rank... oops i mean tier 2 class! Only 36 more to go gotta catch em all!!!!)
When can i get access to the beta? I can't wait to buy bag slots and keys to open my nightmare boxes! /rustled
40! classes!!! - Yeah like the 33 classes in wow. You know Arms warrior, Prot warrior, Fury warrior. Three "classes" 37 more to go. Insert primary damage ability for the "varied" classes Mortal strike, Shield Slam, Bloodthirst.
Destructibility!!! - Sure you can dig there. With a Mithril pickax, that has 100 charges. Purchasable with Station Cash. Oh it leads nowhere, Just keep digging you are bound to find adventure!
No holy trinity!!! - Right. GW2 tried it and screwed it up. Without the ability to cover for Timmy the special snowflake group combat will be a chore. So lots of soloing ahead!
Emergent AI!!!!! - If the mob does the right thing all of the time, faster than you can think, with perfect timing. Gosh that sounds like fun. See GW2 and the mob chasing one dude while he kites and then switching on target changes to a new kiter. Yay every fight will be Buru.
Rallying points!!! - Public quests that take a long time to complete because people can act like dicks but only to a point because we do not want griefing that would actually have a consequence.
Actions have consequences!!!! - Devspeak for you can do anything you want, as long as we approve it first. Oh and we do not approve of that, or that, or that, stop that or you will be banned.
Tiered play with no levels!!!!! - Once you get gear in each slot, complete this cave section, befriend 3 villagers and kill 3 captain tiered monsters you are considered tier 2 or you know, level 20 in every other game ever made. But do not fret you have a quest now from your city lord to find out the mysteries of the Blademaster! (fury warrior, level 20-30 rank... oops i mean tier 2 class! Only 36 more to go gotta catch em all!!!!)
When can i get access to the beta? I can't wait to buy bag slots and keys to open my nightmare boxes! /rustled
Malakriss
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Zero confidence that they can expand the trinity, zero confidence that they can completely do away with the trinity based on what they've shown so far. It wasn't broke, and they haven't shown anything to say they even 'fixed' it
Big Flex
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I've seen this everywhere. "Smart AI makes the Trinity irrelevant." That simply isn't the case. Two element which EQ brought to the genre, effective pulling and crowd control, coupled with advanced AI can make a traditional Everquest-style party makeup even more exciting than Multiclass "every man for himself" hybridized combat.
Heals will be sold in the station cash store, you must be subbed to get a heal, they will also sell as Healer class mercs in the store for 4000 station cash
tad10
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Rallying Calls are like that - at least the examples they gave.
Authored Content has a determined quest (get the relic) but the mechanics of the quest change based on SB AI.
StoryBrick/NPC/Mobx is pretty much 100% dynamic in theory (well limited by their AI, Bandits are always going to be moving around chasing the money, not fruit).
I'm not going to knock the dynamic stuff until I see it working. It sounds better than the average Public Quest/Raising of AQ.
Though I'll add, the way it reads works better for a Themebox like EQ where you want a reasonable amount of determinism than a pure Sandbox. Take the relic example, you know it could be one of three groups you'll have to fight/wheedle/walk through but not which one, and not exactly how you'll do it before you start on the quest, that adds replayability were you leveling an alt.
i just have my doubts about how sophisticated a combat system can be when several people are trying to play together. i just imagine it being chaotic and not fun like gw2.
Cinge
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How does this differ come things like false walls, traps, trick walls, puzzles and a myriad of other things you can do to create "off the beaten path". Besides the major difference of you can do it everywhere supposedly compared to static placement of previous methods.
Will be very interesting to see how this idea works out in a dungeon(ie not just blowing holes in the ground for random content). Will people just end up going through walls for the shortest route to a mob(if dungeons are non instanced) bypassing the rest.
Convo
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I was referring to the actual design not how they actually use in EQN. I think it has a ton of potential..for instance.. Allow miner to carve out tunnels into a mountain.. When all the metal is harvested and players move on, mobs can move Into that area and now you have a dungeon.
Big Flex
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My guess is, unless you have a Mithril Pick of Badassery or the Elven Hammer of Whirlwind you won't be able to just carve through absolutely everything.