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Muligan · Aug 9, 2013

Carl_sl said:
I feel the tweet implied that with only 2 weapon types per class to animate they could focus MORE on gameplay. they reduced their work load with the decision.

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Do iskars not exist during this time? None of the races really appeal to me now that dark elves have horns. I think an iskar paladin would be bad ass.

The reason we are going back to antonica from kunark at the beginning of EQN is because the Iksars kicked us off kunark. So they exist.

I hope so and it's probably just my jadedness with Georgeson and his crew. I cannot help, due to past experiences, to feel they are going to make a game that is pleasing at the surface level. I'm going to quit though and be more unbiased and open-minded. I have been trying throughout this thread but I continually have moments where Georgeson or one of the developers just hits me the wrong way.

I will say this... I do feel this game has received for of their passion than other games have from their devs in years. MMO's have been just an attempt at supply and demand to make quick bucks. I will have this game on a close radar and I fully intend to constructively help through betas or whatever if given the opportunity. I really hope it does succeed.

Caliane · Aug 9, 2013

Tidbit Scaledclaw_sl said:
Excellent read mates, but very long article that's why did not post it here.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/-ind...verquest-next-

Indies Did This: How Voxel Farm and StoryBricks are Helping to Shape Everquest Next

yeah. A.I.

I suppose this is exactly what I suggested/predicted after seeing scribblenauts the first time.

Everything is given tags.
Like a lit torch would be something like [plant,dead,wood,fire,oil]

These tags then create AI behaviours, as well as interaction.
A troll might be something like [animal,intelligent,fire:hate,fire:fear,use:club,li ve:cave,spider:hate,food:like] attributes, and behaviours related to attributes. Trolls fear fire, and will either run from, or try to put it out. While throwing food on the ground might lure them into traps, or even distract during a fight.

The other problem here is this is simulation territory, NOT combat. simcity does not make a very good RTS. NPCs behaving in sim ways. dwarf fortress, gnomoria, etc do not really make good engaging player challenges. does the sim AI go on hold when combat engages? Hunting npcs to extinction, etc is what happens when players are let loose on simulations. there is a reason why games do not do that. Players quickly game the system, so its much better to have static spawns, etc.

Big Flex · Aug 9, 2013

Muligan_sl said:
I hope so and it's probably just my jadedness with Georgeson and his crew. I cannot help, due to past experiences, to feel they are going to make a game that is pleasing at the surface level. I'm going to quit though and be more unbiased and open-minded. I have been trying throughout this thread but I continually have moments where Georgeson or one of the developers just hits me the wrong way.

I will say this... I do feel this game has received for of their passion than other games have from their devs in years. MMO's have been just an attempt at supply and demand to make quick bucks. I will have this game on a close radar and I fully intend to constructively help through betas or whatever if given the opportunity. I really hope it does succeed.

I'm in 100% agreement. I didn't follow Rift, or GW2, or any MMO in recent memory, but this has me sucked in, partially because its different, and mostly because of the relation to the EQ IP. I'm skeptical, but I'm along for the ride.

Heres to hoping we all get into Beta.

Having said that, the EQN team needs to put out some damage control / combat & class explanation docs, and fast, as the dewy-eyed initial awe of the release is quickly fading from industry journalists, as we're seeing more critical articles lately.

Quaid · Aug 9, 2013

Big Flex_sl said:
Heres to hoping we all get into Beta

Farm posts on official forums, and share their shit on social networking. If you look involved I'm sure you'll get in.

Warning: don't try to have actual discussions with the scrubs on their forums. 90% of the population are mouth breathing lil timmies

Jais · Aug 9, 2013

Poked my head into the official forums the other night and there is a lot of dumb shit there ie "We want seasons! Can necros talk to undead? We want nunchucks! Soemote will really help me socialize!"

Big Flex · Aug 9, 2013

Jais_sl said:
Poked my head into the official forums the other night and there is a lot of dumb shit there ie "We want seasons! Can necros talk to undead? We want nunchucks! Soemote will really help me socialize!"

Exactly.

Also, lol'd.

Convo · Aug 9, 2013

Jais_sl said:
Poked my head into the official forums the other night and there is a lot of dumb shit there ie "We want seasons! Can necros talk to undead? We want nunchucks! Soemote will really help me socialize!"

I haven't even bothered posting there.. It's too controlled last I looked lol. Hopefully that's not how they decide beta invites.. Some people will love EQN no matter what and that shit wont help in beta

arallu · Aug 9, 2013

Big Flex_sl said:
Having said that, the EQN team needs to put out some damage control / combat & class explanation docs, and fast, as the dewy-eyed initial awe of the release is quickly fading from industry journalists, as we're seeing more critical articles lately.

Haha ya, at massively today:
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Big Flex · Aug 9, 2013

Convo_sl said:
I haven't even bothered posting there.. It's too controlled last I looked lol. Hopefully that's not how they decide beta invites.. Some people will love EQN no matter what and that shit wont help in beta

Thats the problem, pre-beta discussion is currently, and beta discussion will be a bipolar power struggle between two camps.

1. "Mechanic X will negatively impact Y, therefore consider Z. Look at what happened in __insert_other_mmo_title here___."
2. "its fine as it is lol, also the kerrans looks AWESOME!"

Mr Creed · Aug 9, 2013

tad10_sl said:
What if you've got a main that is hated by the Knights of Truth, might be easier to roll an alt if you need something tradable from the KoT than faction grind. Just theorycrafting. No idea if that is even a possible scenario.

You could just roll that alt then. I'm not averse to manning up for the grind but if the game has the features they announced so far I'm gonna make at least two characters, instead of acquiring all those classes on the same one. A dorf warrior/rogue and an enchanter, race undecided.

I think rolling alts becomes a neutral thing under their multiclassing concept. It just lets you experience the game differently (storybricks reactions to your ogre SK/mass-murderer/slayer will be different from your gnome elementalist/priest mix). Under that premise I actually like the twitter comment, because if anything their designs and that remark imply that the required/expected alt army long term players often develop might take a backseat here.

bwuceli_sl · Aug 9, 2013

Quaid_sl said:
Farm posts on official forums, and share their shit on social networking. If you look involved I'm sure you'll get in.

Warning: don't try to have actual discussions with the scrubs on their forums. 90% of the population are mouth breathing lil timmies

Yep, and they have deleted some of my posts, because too many timmies gave them the thumbs down. They were in no way offensive or arrogant, but they got removed all the same. I'm seriously losing all hope if open discussion doesn't exist on that forum.

tad10 · Aug 9, 2013

Mick_sl said:
Where is a good place to read up on the lore?

Mr Creed · Aug 9, 2013

Dahkoht_sl said:
Fuck , why not just have races not matter either , for those who think you should be able to change wonder twin style to whatever class you've leveled whenever and where-ever ,

Why not just go full out and allow you to change from an Ogre to a Halfling to an Elf any time you want also ?

Follows the same logic of not having to level and alt and having the player have all the choice they want.

If changes classes is ok why not changing race any time you want also ?

The obvious reply would be immersion - exceptional characters in a fantasy setting mastering different skill sets is not unusual. Conan and Elminster both multiclassed =)

That aside, because most people dont give a shit about immersion, it might break the underlying faction system. In a "2 hard factions" game like WoW switching your race is easy and meaningless, hence they allow it there (for a fee). On the other hand in GW2 the race determines all the story line steps so changing that later would be more effort, but you could change GW2 classes at a whim with no repercussions on the rest of the game systems (you cant, but then again maxing a new alt just takes gold and a few hours of clicking). If storybricks puts much emphasis on a persons race to determine reactions, nilly-willy switching would topple that pillar of their game.

Lost Ranger_sl · Aug 9, 2013

bwuceli_sl said:
Yep, and they have deleted some of my posts, because too many timmies gave them the thumbs down. They were in no way offensive or arrogant, but they got removed all the same. I'm seriously losing all hope if open discussion doesn't exist on that forum.

When has open discussion ever existed on official forums? I honestly can't think of a single MMO where the official forum wasn't a massive ocean of stupid. Good ideas get shouted down by raging fanboys who can't handle even the slightest criticism of their precious. That problem has repeated itself over and over again.

Mr Creed · Aug 9, 2013

Teekey_sl said:
Have you read the lore? Most all of the races are allied at this point.

I like the idea of everyone being neutral, and people deciding which way they go.

It's an interesting premise for "a game", but it really goes against my expectations for the name Everquest. I have to watch myself on this topic or I go full qwerty. I just want my trolls and ogres to be roasting dwarfs and elves, not toasting to them.

bwuceli_sl · Aug 9, 2013

Lost Ranger_sl said:
When has open discussion ever existed on official forums? I honestly can't think of a single MMO where the official forum wasn't a massive ocean of stupid. Good ideas get shouted down by raging fanboys who can't handle even the slightest criticism of their precious. That problem has repeated itself over and over again.

Then they shouldn't call it roundtable, -100 interwebs for me for being so naive... I just wanted to believe in an MMO again

Big Flex · Aug 9, 2013

Mr Creed_sl said:
It's an interesting premise for "a game", but it really goes against my expectations for the name Everquest. I have to watch myself on this topic or I go full qwerty. I just want my trolls and ogres to be roasting dwarfs and elves, not toasting to them.

Roast not toast! I agree. I think, however, we'll see a storyline where each race kind of ventures out to found Grobb, to found Oggok and diverge from an initial alliance. We know Innothule and Feerott exists, as it stands, but I'm going to assume that as part of the "Combine" storyline, Ogres will begin in Qeynos. Darkelves will be align to the dragons, perhaps coming under the sway of the yet-unannounced Innoruuk in the future. Trolls will likely be a subservient race to the Dark elves upon launch (If they're in the game at all, and I really hope they are, as evidenced by my previous posts.)

Angry Amadeus_sl · Aug 9, 2013

I just want to build City of Mist and throw some reaver's in there. Too much to ask?

Mr Creed · Aug 9, 2013

rolx_sl said:
I havn't actually, i've been so disgusted with the game so far I had to tune out for a few days. Having ogres and trolls be neutral defies everything the world has ever known about trolls or ogres. Its not LORE its them beingLAZY AS FUCKand not wanting to create starting areas and cities for each race to give each race an IDENTITY. That is the point of having different races.

Bolded for emphasis. I find races just for the pretty skin to be a waste of potential variety and different experiences that are possible if you drop something like Storybricks on a foundation like the EQ1 faction relationships. Races, deity choice and class choice where what determined your starting point in the world and it would vastly differ, but from that point you can forge your own path. It's alot less unique to be a dark elf ranger if they only put in a little more effort then the regular elf or the human. People want to set themselves apart and different racial starting towns and factions give them ample opportunity, so they really reconsider their choice of everyone starting out in qeynos as neutrals.

bwuceli_sl · Aug 9, 2013

Ugh... an important reason to reconsider playing this for me:

"If you are from the Eu or UK you will go through Prosieben but it will be playing on SOE servers." - John Smegmy

I have no intention nor inclination to deal with ProSieben EVER again!

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