EQ Never

Caliane_sl said:

I think the "entitled to see" argument can be mostly solved with making lore entirely open to everyone. Raids, and the like, should be entirely lore neutral. I mean even think about it. The ones that care most bout lore, are the casuals, or RP's NOT the hard core raiders.
WoW's design of the "zone leads up to the raid" is nice and all, but it really creates this problem. As well as expansions and advertising revolving around these lore characters, that are stuck behind raid walls.

Remove that, and it just becomes and issue of "do I have enough to keep me busy?" And smaller gaps in relative power of course.

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I think it was James that mentioned "Lore Mode" a few years back. I always liked the idea. Basically it is raids designed with super casuals/RPers in mind. They get to see the stories they enjoy come to a end without having to be part of a dedicated raid guild. The idea was that the raids would be "fun" for casuals and pretty much wipe proof. The reward would be the lore though. No epic loot, no achievements, no titles, nothing. It is only to see the raid encounters and see a end to the expansions lore. If you want the rewards you have to do the real thing.

Most raiders don't care about lore. They want the challenge, the socializing, and the power. I didn't face Arthas in WoW with some nerd boner because "omgz I was fighting the lich king". The asshole had my weapon. End of story.

Great stories guys I been enjoying the last few pages. Here's mine. I always wanted to play UO but I was like 13 and my parents WOULDNOT no matter what put a sub on their CC. So I missed out on that game completely. My neighbor was into gaming and he was telling me about this game called EQ that was just about to come out. I told him my parents wouldn't go for the CC deal, so he said i'll put it on my parents if you give me the money. HELL YA I was all over that. He even bought me the copy of the game and helped me set it up. But the first time I logged in and started moving around I was mind blown, I was amazed at how cool everything looked. I eventually made my way outside of the HE castle and saw all the bee's and bats and the guards are all I remember. I was just like WHAT that guards armor is SICK I wana get armor like that. So I killed bee's and bats and who knows what else for a couple days until someone told me that you can take a boat to another part of the world where getting levels and gear was SO EZ. So I set out on the adventure with someone I just met who also had dreams of epic level 20 riches and better leveling. More importantly it felt so dangerous I didn't want to go by myself and die lose my exp and have to find my way back it was so DARK and dangerous. When the person I was with and I finally got to the boat I swear we sat there for like 3 days waiting for it to come and all I remember was a ranger sitting on the dock fishing. I said do you actually catch fish ? And he said hell yah, best eatin.. never forget that shit ever. I was straight hooked. He bought me a pole and some bait and we were all fishing our asses off bragging about how many we caught and we were gona catch "the big one". Finally a boat came, and the boat ride we all remember could have sea monsters and shit attacking. The ranger warned myself and my friend and we were in tells like... dude I don't know if we should be doing this boat thing.. sea monsters? The ranger insisted he would protect us so we stayed and our journey had taken so long already that we couldn't make ourselfs turn back. So we make the ride with no encounters and everything was safe and then I saw freeport. It was like a whole new world straight up and we were so excited we made it we were both stoked and we ran around telling each other what we were finding in the city. Little did I know a couple hours later I would see a monk do a flying kick, and all I remember was WTF that guy just jump kicked something that is the fucking craziest shit i've ever seen and instantly rerolled a monk started in freeport and never looked back Ended up leveling with the guy I met all the way through velious and joined the same guild and ended up playing together for the next like 8 years i'm going to say completely hooked, thought about the game when my parents made me go to sleep, when I woke up, what I was going to do when I get home from school and how I was going to do it. Never left my house again. Evercrack activated.

If a no named scrub dropped your weapon, you'd still farm it and kill it over and over until you got your weapon. The reason any of it was memorable is because you faced the lich king or the iconic dragon/god.

Lost Ranger_sl said:

I think it was James that mentioned "Lore Mode" a few years back. I always liked the idea. Basically it is raids designed with super casuals/RPers in mind. They get to see the stories they enjoy come to a end without having to be part of a dedicated raid guild. The idea was that the raids would be "fun" for casuals and pretty much wipe proof. The reward would be the lore though. No epic loot, no achievements, no titles, nothing. It is only to see the raid encounters and see a end to the expansions lore. If you want the rewards you have to do the real thing.

Most raiders don't care about lore. They want the challenge, the socializing, and the power. I didn't face Arthas in WoW with some nerd boner because "omgz I was fighting the lich king". The asshole had my weapon. End of story.

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SWTOR does this with 'Story Mode', watered down versions of the real thing. You still get shit from it, but it is lesser quality than what you get from the hard or nightmare mode or whatever. So you can get together with whoever and see the story play out, and not really be taxed, but the option is there for the hardcore to fight the tough fights, and get the shiniest lightsaber or whatnot.

Haven't posted here in years but I've been following this thread. I'm in the "where's my EQ3+" crowd. A good portion of my issue is that EQN looks like it has nothing to do with EQ. It might well be a fantastic game in its own right, but I don't appreciate them trading on the EQ name. Part of it (though not all) is the art. The argument between "stylized" and "realistic" is too simple. Art can be stylized without being childish. EQ1 had stylized graphics but it was closer to a comic book than a Pixar movie.
I took the time to Photoshop this:http://i.imgur.com/6FwyVTk.pngand posted it on Reddit. About 80% of the responses are in favor of the original (left side) image. At this point I'm beginning to come to terms with the fact that there are enough people sipping the Kool-Aid that the odds of pushing EQN in a direction where it might arrive at a final product that resembles what I believe an EverQuest game ought to be are slim.

I'm fairly shocked that anyone would prefer the original human female to the slightly less monkey-looking version that it could be. Oh well.

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:

My parents said I couldn't get EQ until I learned how to properly use paragraphs. Rolx would have never gotten the game had he been in my household.

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Hahahaha the memories started flowing.

Doesn't matter to me if anyone reads it someone will enjoy it tho.

rolx_sl said:

Great stories guys I been enjoying the last few pages. Here's mine. I always wanted to play UO but I was like 13 and my parents WOULDNOT no matter what put a sub on their CC. So I missed out on that game completely. My neighbor was into gaming and he was telling me about this game called EQ that was just about to come out. I told him my parents wouldn't go for the CC deal, so he said i'll put it on my parents if you give me the money. HELL YA I was all over that. He even bought me the copy of the game and helped me set it up. But the first time I logged in and started moving around I was mind blown, I was amazed at how cool everything looked. I eventually made my way outside of the HE castle and saw all the bee's and bats and the guards are all I remember. I was just like WHAT that guards armor is SICK I wana get armor like that. So I killed bee's and bats and who knows what else for a couple days until someone told me that you can take a boat to another part of the world where getting levels and gear was SO EZ. So I set out on the adventure with someone I just met who also had dreams of epic level 20 riches and better leveling. More importantly it felt so dangerous I didn't want to go by myself and die lose my exp and have to find my way back it was so DARK and dangerous. When the person I was with and I finally got to the boat I swear we sat there for like 3 days waiting for it to come and all I remember was a ranger sitting on the dock fishing. I said do you actually catch fish ? And he said hell yah, best eatin.. never forget that shit ever. I was straight hooked. He bought me a pole and some bait and we were all fishing our asses off bragging about how many we caught and we were gona catch "the big one". Finally a boat came, and the boat ride we all remember could have sea monsters and shit attacking. The ranger warned myself and my friend and we were in tells like... dude I don't know if we should be doing this boat thing.. sea monsters? The ranger insisted he would protect us so we stayed and our journey had taken so long already that we couldn't make ourselfs turn back. So we make the ride with no encounters and everything was safe and then I saw freeport. It was like a whole new world straight up and we were so excited we made it we were both stoked and we ran around telling each other what we were finding in the city. Little did I know a couple hours later I would see a monk do a flying kick, and all I remember was WTF that guy just jump kicked something that is the fucking craziest shit i've ever seen and instantly rerolled a monk started in freeport and never looked back

Ended up leveling with the guy I met all the way through velious and joined the same guild and ended up playing together for the next like 8 years i'm going to say completely hooked, thought about the game when my parents made me go to sleep, when I woke up, what I was going to do when I get home from school and how I was going to do it. Never left my house again. Evercrack activated.

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glumner_sl said:

Haven't posted here in years but I've been following this thread. I'm in the "where's my EQ3+" crowd. A good portion of my issue is that EQN looks like it has nothing to do with EQ. It might well be a fantastic game in its own right, but I don't appreciate them trading on the EQ name. Part of it (though not all) is the art. The argument between "stylized" and "realistic" is too simple. Art can be stylized without being childish. EQ1 had stylized graphics but it was closer to a comic book than a Pixar movie.
I took the time to Photoshop this:http://i.imgur.com/6FwyVTk.pngand posted it on Reddit. About 80% of the responses are in favor of the original (left side) image. At this point I'm beginning to come to terms with the fact that there are enough people sipping the Kool-Aid that the odds of pushing EQN in a direction where it might arrive at a final product that resembles what I believe an EverQuest game ought to be are slim.

I'm fairly shocked that anyone would prefer the original human female to the slightly less monkey-looking version that it could be. Oh well.

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you did almost nothing to this picture, so not sure what youre shooting for.

also, id spend less time griping about the only passable PC model they've shown.

Azeth_sl said:

you did almost nothing to this picture, so not sure what youre shooting for.

also, id spend less time griping about the only passable PC model they've shown.

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The lips are a little smaller.

okay but i like Lana Del Rey

Lips, eyes, and eyebrows are all closer to a reasonable size. Head is a bit narrower. Apparently the issue is that most people are so blind that they can only see design flaws if they are in the shape of massive shoulderpads or idiotic lions.

glumner_sl said:

Lips, eyes, and eyebrows are all closer to a reasonable size. Head is a bit narrower. Apparently the issue is that most people are so blind that they can only see design flaws if they are in the shape of massive shoulderpads or idiotic lions.

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i dont think you've considered how little time you've spent, or anyone has spent actually watching another PCs face... the issue is the appearance from a normal perspective, a couple meters out.

Thats why the Kerran is so awful, he's a walking hunk of ogre-sized armor on a voxelated lion face.

Azeth_sl said:

i dont think you've considered how little time you've spent, or anyone has spent actually watching another PCs face...

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Gotta disagree here. In a group or raid setting or even in a town, you are in very close proximity with other tunes for long periods of time and you spend plenty of that time looking at faces. Small tweaks away from a toony/childish direction would do wonders for the atmosphere of the game on the whole.

Malakriss_sl said:

If a no named scrub dropped your weapon, you'd still farm it and kill it over and over until you got your weapon. The reason any of it was memorable is because you faced the lich king or the iconic dragon/god.

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I dunno. I raided in one of the top guilds of the game and we still found the lore intruiging. PoP had some pretty cool stuff going on up until zombie jesus and the wtf lolz TIMETRAVEL! Velious was always great with the 3 way faction wars as well. Everyone would agree though that SoE lost their minds with GoD / OoW. Didnt really bother with anything since that.

Re: How did I get into EQ?

Funny thing, I liked gaming with a PS1 and had purchased my first PC around 1999. I approached a friend and told him I had this bad boy computer, but really hadnt found any games that hooked me on it like FF7 had on the PS1 back in its time. He told me about some game called Everquest and it was like DnD and MUDs and all this other terminology I had never heard of. Needless to say, i didnt give it much thought at all. A couple months later I was at the store picking up some stuff and walked by the electronics section with a stand of EQ boxes. I figured wtf, why not, on a complete impulse purchase. I went home and read the entire manual from start to finish and was contemplating an SK or a War purely by what was written as a description in the manual. I eventually chose a Barbarian Warrior with what I imagined an old timey version of my RL name (Jason) and so Jysin was born.

Here I am 14 years later screwing around on the Mac server for nostalgia.

My eq story:

16ish I forget but was living on my own so had to be around there. At work and talking about latest UO exploits when interrupted by another co-worker taking about EQ beta, being a noob I thought the game was called everquest beta lol. It sounded awesome though so off I went looking for the game, two days of searching and a pissed off girlfriend later I finally ask the guy where he got the game? He explained in detail how retarded I was, so I applied to beta but never heard back. Release day came and I forgot until my UO buddy picked it up and told me all about it.

Super excited I grabbed a copy only for the game to tell me min requirements are 800X600... Fuck my monitor max was 640X480. 5pm at this point so off I go to pick up a monitor knowing damn well if I do I'm not making rent this month.

Best buy credit card and one awesome monitor later I try again...nope my graphics card is shit, 6:30pm now head back to best buy purchase new pentium 3 and vodoo 3.

Car doesn't start in parking lot, fuck it apartment is maybe 2 miles away, I shoulder the computer and bag the card start to walk, less then half way there with computer getting super heavy I spot a shopping cart! Score! But no back wheels, so there I go pushing a computer while holding the back end up. Make it home, reinstall forget to put in the graphics card...9PM.

OK so game is finished installing, card is in, but technical difficulties with drivers or something, spent a good hour getting that sorted. Game loads but has to patch, dial up connection holding steady but I figure take all night to patch, instead of going to bed and risking a failed connection I call my friend, he finally agrees to come pick me up(had to stop playing), I patch at his house using road runner and we play from 11PM Friday night until about 3PM Sunday afternoon couple hours of sleep. Wake up Monday morning and call in sick from work, finally stick with a char and have a high elf cleric up to level 8 or so at this point.

Mean while friend goes to work and comes home I out leveled him by a good three levels due to awesome crushbone group. Spend all this time showing him what groups do and what camps are what etc. Finally with the threat of losing my job I go and pick up my car, it actually started right up and worked just fine for the rest of the time I had it.

Other then that crazy weekend I never really binged like that again was on a schedule played from off work at night until tired usually 2-3AM.