EQ TLP 2024 Teek (Random loot) & Tormax (Traditional) #neckbeardnostalgia

They'd have to come up with some wild, out of the box shit to get me to leave The Hero's Journey at this point. There's a ton they could do, but they just keep it boring.

Los_Necros said:

The only reason tormax did so poorly was it was next to teek. If they do another boring classic server, it'll be 100x more popular than tormax. They 100% should still put out a classic boring server. The 2nd server just needs to be more unique like vaniki was so it doesn't take away from the boring classic server like teek did. Teek was what everyone was waiting years for...that's why tormax failed so miserably.

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So they should launch a less popular server and to help its population they should avoid launching a really popular server. You know they’re trying to make money here right?

Zaide said:

So they should launch a less popular server and to help its population they should avoid launching a really popular server. You know they’re trying to make money here right?

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A classic server will beat any server they come up with that doesn't start in classic/kunark. Do you agree with that? An event server will be "cool" but it won't be as popular as a Tormax clone. It took them 3 years to do a 2nd Mischief. I highly doubt they'll do another FV so soon. And that would be a Tormax clones biggest competition.

We are also talking about the company who did a 2box limit server and a server that let you use DZs on every character on the same account. Both servers would have made them more money if they didn't have those. So, I am not sure what your money comment really means when we're talking about this company and rulesets lol.

They did gimmick server/basic server with Yelinak and Vaniki. I doubt that someone with all of the available revenue data from the last few years would conclude it's those two that should be emulated for 2025. The last regular server to be packed was Aradune and that was the covid server plus Brad McQuaid memorial.

Zaide said:

That’s just my best guess. Tormax showed them the vanilla experience is not what players want right now, but they’ll be hesitant to do Mischief 3.0 so soon. The FV server lets them get the big free trade economic rush, plus the hardcore boomers who won’t play Mischief because it has the word “random” in it.

I think we could see a PvP server too. It’s gotta happen eventually.

I would guess the rules have been leaked already but the people who get that info will keep it within a tight circle of trust.

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Well they cant put a normal server release up against a fv loot style server for sure.

Los_Necros said:

The only reason tormax did so poorly was it was next to teek. If they do another boring classic server, it'll be 100x more popular than tormax. They 100% should still put out a classic boring server. The 2nd server just needs to be more unique like vaniki was so it doesn't take away from the boring classic server like teek did. Teek was what everyone was waiting years for...that's why tormax failed so miserably.

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IMO the bonus loot is just too much. I am not a fan of the random loot either which allows you to get raid gear off much easier bosses.

It's not flashy but Vaniki's double loot was really nice. You could double dip on tons and tons of quests including epics plus all the extra tradeskill junk.

Vaniki was one of the most fun "non classic/kunark start" servers they have done. But, ultimately, the problem people don't think about is that only gets so many people. The reason Mischief/Teek were so popular was because of a mix of cool/fun and the server is good for farmers. If there was no "money" to be made on Teek, then Tormax would have been the most popular. The most popular server is always going to be whatever is the most farmable server. And, they're dumb if they don't do a classic or kunark tormax style server because you will always have people that want classic start. So, it's inevitable that there will be a mostly Tormax clone server.


Phinigel : was released on December 9th, 2015.
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-- Quarm: OMG NO CLASSIC SERVER - 2016 - The Quarm Server was released in July 13, 2016
Agnarr released on May 24, 2017
Coirnav released on March 16. 2018
Mangler was released on March 16, 2019
Aradune / Rizlona released on May 27, 2020
Mischief and ThornBlade released on May 26, 2021
Vaniki/Yelinak released on May 25th, 2022
Oakwynd was released on Wednesday May 24th, 2023

So, the only year you can try to say they skipped a classic/kunark start server is Quarm. But, really because of phinnys late start + long timeline, agnarr launched while phinny was still in PoP/LDON.

So, using logic here, we can assume they will have a server starting at classic/kunark. So, the question is, what server will be more popular than a tormax clone. A teek/mischief clone, which they won't do... What else? There are lots of other cool ideas and I would love to play on a fun event server. But, if we put a fun event server next to a tormax server, the tormax server will 100% make more money for them.

It's cool that you guys have played 8 classic start TLPs and want something different, but we all know that a Tormax clone server would beat out any other server that doesn't start in classic/kunark. It doesn't matter how "cool" the server is. The server has to be more profitable for the farmers than a Tormax clone. No one is arguing about if they should put a fun server or a classic launch server. They'll do both obviously. So, assuming they'll do both, I would conclude that the Tormax clone will win out in profitability and popularity.

I also understand what some of are you trying to say. That if they didn't put out a Tormax clone, then a cool event server would do GREAT! And yah, that's true... if an event server had no classic server to compete with, it would rule. But, that isn't happening.

A lot of us have been saying this for a loooong time but they're too stupid to listen... They need to space the releases of 2 servers out. You launch 1 server and then 6 months later, you launch the other server. This would make them so much more money on bags and potions etc. They force everyone to choose between 2 servers. More people would play launch on both servers and buy bags on both servers instead of being forced to kill 1. Vaniki would have been at least twice as popular if they released it 6 months after Yelinak. I was a typical classic launch farmer and I still played on Vaniki the first few weeks because I really liked the idea of starting with bazaar/pok already open and I had a blast.

I'd prefer to see experimentation (you don't get Mischief without it) but if only vanilla options are on the table they haven't released a server with boxing at launch in quite a while.

Arbitrary said:

I'd prefer to see experimentation (you don't get Mischief without it) but if only vanilla options are on the table they haven't released a server with boxing at launch in quite a while.

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I have said many times they should release 2 servers every year but separated by 6 months. One should be somewhat normal, and the other should be more experimental.

Example releasing Tormax 6 months after Teek release would have made it an ok server.

I would like to see an opposite approach to the mischief/fv welfare loot mentality. I want loot to be rare and meaningful and xping to be a nonfactor. Like a selo speed server without the halved lockouts, but with even faster xp and an aa autogrant that is something like ALL prior expac aas, or just ridiculous aa speed.

Ideal for raidlogging, boxoholics, etc. Bad for social groupers, plvlers, and xp pot sales. Compensate for the latter by putting more teleport and utility (eg lev) items out for sale, better bag selections, and maybe some stuff like tradeskill % items which would be especially helpful on a server like this. They lean too much into xp pots when the non-xp marketplace COULD potentially boom in a fast xp low loot environment.

They also need to put overseer in way way way sooner, regardless of anything else. Absolutely by pop at the latest. That thing is a good retention-keeping tool totally wasted by coming in at a tlp stage where quitters have all already quit. No good reason not to have it in place and keeping people logging in for it during that late-pop stage.

Ah. That time of year when Losthewar starts spamming pvp memes in Discord... and loses another war.

yerm said:

I would like to see an opposite approach to the mischief/fv welfare loot mentality. I want loot to be rare and meaningful and xping to be a nonfactor. Like a selo speed server without the halved lockouts, but with even faster xp and an aa autogrant that is something like ALL prior expac aas, or just ridiculous aa speed.

Ideal for raidlogging, boxoholics, etc. Bad for social groupers, plvlers, and xp pot sales. Compensate for the latter by putting more teleport and utility (eg lev) items out for sale, better bag selections, and maybe some stuff like tradeskill % items which would be especially helpful on a server like this. They lean too much into xp pots when the non-xp marketplace COULD potentially boom in a fast xp low loot environment.

They also need to put overseer in way way way sooner, regardless of anything else. Absolutely by pop at the latest. That thing is a good retention-keeping tool totally wasted by coming in at a tlp stage where quitters have all already quit. No good reason not to have it in place and keeping people logging in for it during that late-pop stage.

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I think Teek overdid it with the loot, it was just drinking from a firehose where you got so much stuff that most of it wasn't worth the effort to try and sell. Then the plat dope came in, and now it was even less worthwhile and it also made it so that farming plat instead of items was useless and you just ended up with every good rare being permanently camped so it could be traded for krono or another useful item.

It felt to me that if you didn't have a rare camped, there was nothing productive to do. If I can't log on and find something to do, I quickly lose interest. I quit by the time Velious came out. By far the shortest I've lasted on a TLP.

Never made it to a server that had Overseer and I am not even sure what it is. If it's something you can do and make progress solo or in a small group, I'm all for it. Also, bazaar active at release is long overdue.

Lambourne said:

I think Teek overdid it with the loot, it was just drinking from a firehose where you got so much stuff that most of it wasn't worth the effort to try and sell. Then the plat dope came in, and now it was even less worthwhile and it also made it so that farming plat instead of items was useless and you just ended up with every good rare being permanently camped so it could be traded for krono or another useful item.

It felt to me that if you didn't have a rare camped, there was nothing productive to do. If I can't log on and find something to do, I quickly lose interest. I quit by the time Velious came out. By far the shortest I've lasted on a TLP.

Never made it to a server that had Overseer and I am not even sure what it is. If it's something you can do and make progress solo or in a small group, I'm all for it. Also, bazaar active at release is long overdue.

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Also dont forget how the Anniversary tower screwed up a ton of loot until about pop.

Elderan said:

Also dont forget how the Anniversary tower screwed up a ton of loot until about pop.

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This is what really turned me off to the server. Tower loot and bonus loot just made raiding pointless and took all the fun out of the game.

Yeah, when it comes down to it, the pixel collecting aspect of eq is more interesting than the xp/aa collecting. Not having to spend much time on the boring stuff so you can focus on the fun part would be great.