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So some of you saw this? Is Doom really a hax0r? We need details on Doom. Does he toot a forbidden horn??
summaries say Doom hax0r was what Trank originally scripted, then the studio said FUCK THAT. they're saying his emo tweets are likely cuz of that change.
 

Gavinmad

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Hax0r Doom probably would have been an improvement. Also, why the fuck would the studio wait til so late in the project to say 'fuck this is a trainwreck lets do reshoots for 33% of the movie'.
 

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I like that the tank just... disappears into non existence. No Shrapnel, hole in the ground, did David Copperfield join up with the case?
Nevermind the fact that the guys he threw it at are twice as tall as the fucking tank.
 

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what's the exact details of the contract on FF4? i've seen various 'reports' where they won't get FF4 for another 8 years unless they're willing to pay for it.
 

Gavinmad

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what's the exact details of the contract on FF4? i've seen various 'reports' where they won't get FF4 for another 8 years unless they're willing to pay for it.
Disney doesn't get the rights back just because the movie flopped, they only get the rights back if Fox gives up on the IP. Seeing as how they held onto it for 8 years after the first two, I wouldn't expect Marvel to be getting it back any time soon, if ever. They honestly might decide that Trank was to blame for the failure of this movie and push ahead with a sequel anyway.
 

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Yeah flop or not, this movie did was it was intended to do; retain the rights to the IP for Fox. The success of their X-Men movies will probably keep them inclined to thinking they will eventually get it right with F4.
 

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I don't normally watch cam rips of movies, but I was intrigued enough to see just how bad this movie was so I watched one. There were some decent things about it, but a lot of terrible things. Doom was an atrocity in particular. I guess they decided that of all the complex things that make up Doom in the comics, they'd just go with him being an arrogant asshole. He's not a blogger by the way, he's more like a dickhead version of Reed Richards. They missed out on all the awesome that is Doom, even worse than the first movie did. I absolutely hated the actor they had playing him too (for Doom that is, I don't care one way or the other about him otherwise).

Not going to spoil anything, but it was mediocre overall. Remember that picture showing how they changed color schemes between one trailer and the next? That was actually explained, so I was sort of pleased with that, but when that's one of the few things you go, "Oh, cool!" about, that's not saying much.

Wait for video if you're one of the few people on the fence.
 

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Yeah flop or not, this movie did was it was intended to do; retain the rights to the IP for Fox. The success of their X-Men movies will probably keep them inclined to thinking they will eventually get it right with F4.
Eh... It was intended to make money plain and simple. They aren't going to run a mainstream movie into the ground just to hold onto the rights. Fantastic four 2 bombed so bad they scrapped the sequal and had to wait a decade for the heat to die off enough to get ANY traction.
 

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Disney doesn't get the rights back just because the movie flopped, they only get the rights back if Fox gives up on the IP. Seeing as how they held onto it for 8 years after the first two, I wouldn't expect Marvel to be getting it back any time soon, if ever. They honestly might decide that Trank was to blame for the failure of this movie and push ahead with a sequel anyway.
Yeah, I don't see FOX letting go of the rights. I think the best case scenario is FOX sees what Sony is able to do with Spider-Man after letting Marvel bring him into their universe and FOX deciding to do the same with the Fantastic Four.
 

Gavinmad

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Eh... It was intended to make money plain and simple. They aren't going to run a mainstream movie into the ground just to hold onto the rights. Fantastic four 2 bombed so bad they scrapped the sequal and had to wait a decade for the heat to die off enough to get ANY traction.
Rise of the Silver Surfer only did slightly worse financially than the original and received better ratings.

And even if Fox and Disney agreed to collaborate on integrating the FF into the MCU, I doubt it would happen in time to use Secret Invasion as the meta plot for Phase 4, and Phase 4 is where I see the MCU most likely to finally stumble.
 

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Rise of the Silver Surfer only did slightly worse financially than the original and received better ratings.
yes, and it still forced the studio to abandon the planned sequal. it did something like $290 million at the box office... do we think that this new one is going to reach that much? the studio is ONLY going to hold on to ANY IP for as long as they believe it can make money. sure, the budget on the new one was about $125 million, and they'll get that money back at some point. the question is whether or not the studio believes it's worth it to hold on to an ip that is only bringing them in a small percentage in return instead of producing a different ip in it's place that could potentially bring in much more money.
 

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yes, and it still forced the studio to abandon the planned sequal.
Our best hope is that they abandon it like Daredevil was abandoned, and then the rights revert back in like-so fashion. Look at how Disney did with Daredevil.

I've always thought of DD as bland, so if they can add spice to him, what can they do with FF?
 

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the studio is ONLY going to hold on to ANY IP for as long as they believe it can make money.
Perhaps, but at this point it costs them exactly zero dollars (from what I have been lead to understand) to hold onto it for whatever the requisite time is. I've been seeing 8 years thrown about, so unless they do a team-up like Sony, they might as well let it sit and be forgotten for awhile. Who knows what happens to Marvel movies, and the superhero genre in general, in 8 years? It costs them nothing to wait, but gives Marvel a huge bonus if they just turn it over now, so they won't. Unless they do a team-up, which is possible now that this one took a shit.
 

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They can wait a while to see what happens and lose the rights for nothing.

Or they could strike a deal with Marvel like Sony did with Spider-man, or simply sell back the rights to Marvel now for some cash.

I doubt Marvel is that interested in the Fantastic Four as they would be in Galactus, Silver Surfer, the other heralds, Doctor Doom and everything else that is tied in that property.
 

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While both Sony and FOX want to build cinematic universes, the big difference between the two is that Sonyonlyhas Spider-Man. If they can't get people to go see Spider-Man movies, then the whole thing is a nonstarter. Going back to Marvel gives the potential for groundwork to be laid to give them something to build off of. FOX, on the other hand, might have a set-back with F4 flopping and have to change their plans for the F4/X-Men movie that was supposed to follow Apocalypse, but they have already had success with one of their franchises and might be able to expand that with Deadpool. Fortunately for them, this F4 group has no direct ties to the cinematic universe, so it won't be too hard for FOX to jettison them and reintroduce F4 into the X-Men universe in a few years' time while building their universe in the meanwhile. Basically, FOX doesn't need Marvel the way Sony does.