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Rajaah said:
The other day I found Game Informer's 2017 issue with the 100 best RPGs of all time. It's a pretty solid list. Everquest at #22, Chrono Trigger at #3. Their choice for #1 probably seemed like a good idea in 2017 but I feel like it hasn't aged that well.

100. Torment: Tides of Numenera
99. Dragon Quest III
98. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
97. Dark Cloud 2
96. Lost Odyssey
95. The World Ends With You
94. Golden Sun
93. Pillars of Eternity
92. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
91. Bastion
90. Panzer Dragoon Saga
89. Tales of Symphonia
88. Radiata Stories
87. Vagrant Story
86. Pools of Radiance
85. Might & Magic: World of Xeen
84. Horizon: Zero Dawn
83. Xenoblade Chronicles
82. South Park: The Stick of Truth
81. Destiny
80. Odin Sphere
79. Dragon's Dogma
78. Wasteland
77. Radiant Historia
76. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
75. Shadow Hearts: Covenant
74. Monster Hunter Generations
73. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
72. Paper Mario
71. Jade Empire
70. Undertale
69. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
68. Divinity: Original Sin
67. Path of Exile
66. XCOM: Enemy Unknown
65. Mass Effect
64. Darkest Dungeon
63. Valkyria Chronicles
62. Baldur's Gate
61. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
60. Icewind Dale II
59. Chrono Cross
58. Tales of the Unknown, Vol. 1: The Bard's Tale
57. Dragon Age: Inquisition
56. Fable II
55. Skies of Arcadia
54. Grandia II
53. Star Ocean: The Second Story
52. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
51. Dragon Quest VII: Journey of the Cursed King
50. Pokemon Gold & Silver
49. Xenogears
48. Persona 3
47. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
46. Demon's Souls
45. Mass Effect 3
44. Fire Emblem: Awakening
43. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
42. Shadowrun
41. Xenosaga: Episode I - Der Wille zur Macht
40. Neverwinter Nights
39. Fallout
38. System Shock 2
37. Diablo III
36. Fallout: New Vegas
35. Final Fantasy X
34. Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
33. Final Fantasy
32. Valkyrie Profile
31. Ultima VII: The Black Gate
30. Persona 4
29. Suikoden II
28. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
27. Earthbound
26. Dragon Age: Origins
25. Kingdom Hearts II
24. Dark Souls
23. Final Fantasy IV
22. EverQuest
21. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
20. Diablo
19. Persona 5
18. Final Fantasy VII
17. Ultima Online
16. Secret of Mana
15. Pokemon Red & Blue
14. Deus Ex
13. Planescape: Torment
12. Fallout 3
11. Bloodborne
10. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
8. Diablo II
7. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
6. World of Warcraft
5. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
4. Mass Effect 2
3. Chrono Trigger
2. Final Fantasy VI
1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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Skyrim was 6 years old at that point. I don't think there was any significant aging to be done. I wouldn't put it there but I totally understand for some people it really fulfilled the role-playing part of RPG even if it didn't tell as good a linear story as some of the others. There's no denying how popular it has always been.
 
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Rajaah said:
The other day I found Game Informer's 2017 issue with the 100 best RPGs of all time. It's a pretty solid list. Everquest at #22, Chrono Trigger at #3. Their choice for #1 probably seemed like a good idea in 2017 but I feel like it hasn't aged that well.

100. Torment: Tides of Numenera
99. Dragon Quest III
98. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
97. Dark Cloud 2
96. Lost Odyssey
95. The World Ends With You
94. Golden Sun
93. Pillars of Eternity
92. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
91. Bastion
90. Panzer Dragoon Saga
89. Tales of Symphonia
88. Radiata Stories
87. Vagrant Story
86. Pools of Radiance
85. Might & Magic: World of Xeen
84. Horizon: Zero Dawn
83. Xenoblade Chronicles
82. South Park: The Stick of Truth
81. Destiny
80. Odin Sphere
79. Dragon's Dogma
78. Wasteland
77. Radiant Historia
76. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
75. Shadow Hearts: Covenant
74. Monster Hunter Generations
73. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
72. Paper Mario
71. Jade Empire
70. Undertale
69. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
68. Divinity: Original Sin
67. Path of Exile
66. XCOM: Enemy Unknown
65. Mass Effect
64. Darkest Dungeon
63. Valkyria Chronicles
62. Baldur's Gate
61. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
60. Icewind Dale II
59. Chrono Cross
58. Tales of the Unknown, Vol. 1: The Bard's Tale
57. Dragon Age: Inquisition
56. Fable II
55. Skies of Arcadia
54. Grandia II
53. Star Ocean: The Second Story
52. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
51. Dragon Quest VII: Journey of the Cursed King
50. Pokemon Gold & Silver
49. Xenogears
48. Persona 3
47. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
46. Demon's Souls
45. Mass Effect 3
44. Fire Emblem: Awakening
43. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
42. Shadowrun
41. Xenosaga: Episode I - Der Wille zur Macht
40. Neverwinter Nights
39. Fallout
38. System Shock 2
37. Diablo III
36. Fallout: New Vegas
35. Final Fantasy X
34. Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
33. Final Fantasy
32. Valkyrie Profile
31. Ultima VII: The Black Gate
30. Persona 4
29. Suikoden II
28. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
27. Earthbound
26. Dragon Age: Origins
25. Kingdom Hearts II
24. Dark Souls
23. Final Fantasy IV
22. EverQuest
21. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
20. Diablo
19. Persona 5
18. Final Fantasy VII
17. Ultima Online
16. Secret of Mana
15. Pokemon Red & Blue
14. Deus Ex
13. Planescape: Torment
12. Fallout 3
11. Bloodborne
10. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
8. Diablo II
7. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
6. World of Warcraft
5. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
4. Mass Effect 2
3. Chrono Trigger
2. Final Fantasy VI
1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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I don't generally like Japanese games outside of the classic console games like Mario 1/2/3, Zelda 1, and MGS 1. So that kills half that list and MMOs are so different that they shouldn't be ranked with single player games.

RPGCodex is a very old "no weebs allowed" wRPG site. They were there when Todd Howard was lying his ass off to hype Oblivion. They were there when Peter Molyneux was lying his ass off to hype Fable. They don't forget and they don't forgive. Also, I've probably played 90% of the games on their list and roughly agree with most of their rankings as the games were played on release (outside of a few games I didn't like at all and a few that I feel are missing).
 
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Rajaah said:
The other day I found Game Informer's 2017 issue with the 100 best RPGs of all time. It's a pretty solid list. Everquest at #22, Chrono Trigger at #3. Their choice for #1 probably seemed like a good idea in 2017 but I feel like it hasn't aged that well.

100. Torment: Tides of Numenera
99. Dragon Quest III
98. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
97. Dark Cloud 2
96. Lost Odyssey
95. The World Ends With You
94. Golden Sun
93. Pillars of Eternity
92. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
91. Bastion
90. Panzer Dragoon Saga
89. Tales of Symphonia
88. Radiata Stories
87. Vagrant Story
86. Pools of Radiance
85. Might & Magic: World of Xeen
84. Horizon: Zero Dawn
83. Xenoblade Chronicles
82. South Park: The Stick of Truth
81. Destiny
80. Odin Sphere
79. Dragon's Dogma
78. Wasteland
77. Radiant Historia
76. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
75. Shadow Hearts: Covenant
74. Monster Hunter Generations
73. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
72. Paper Mario
71. Jade Empire
70. Undertale
69. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
68. Divinity: Original Sin
67. Path of Exile
66. XCOM: Enemy Unknown
65. Mass Effect
64. Darkest Dungeon
63. Valkyria Chronicles
62. Baldur's Gate
61. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
60. Icewind Dale II
59. Chrono Cross
58. Tales of the Unknown, Vol. 1: The Bard's Tale
57. Dragon Age: Inquisition
56. Fable II
55. Skies of Arcadia
54. Grandia II
53. Star Ocean: The Second Story
52. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
51. Dragon Quest VII: Journey of the Cursed King
50. Pokemon Gold & Silver
49. Xenogears
48. Persona 3
47. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
46. Demon's Souls
45. Mass Effect 3
44. Fire Emblem: Awakening
43. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
42. Shadowrun
41. Xenosaga: Episode I - Der Wille zur Macht
40. Neverwinter Nights
39. Fallout
38. System Shock 2
37. Diablo III
36. Fallout: New Vegas
35. Final Fantasy X
34. Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
33. Final Fantasy
32. Valkyrie Profile
31. Ultima VII: The Black Gate
30. Persona 4
29. Suikoden II
28. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
27. Earthbound
26. Dragon Age: Origins
25. Kingdom Hearts II
24. Dark Souls
23. Final Fantasy IV
22. EverQuest
21. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
20. Diablo
19. Persona 5
18. Final Fantasy VII
17. Ultima Online
16. Secret of Mana
15. Pokemon Red & Blue
14. Deus Ex
13. Planescape: Torment
12. Fallout 3
11. Bloodborne
10. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
8. Diablo II
7. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
6. World of Warcraft
5. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
4. Mass Effect 2
3. Chrono Trigger
2. Final Fantasy VI
1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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weighing jrpgs and action rpgs waaaaay too heavily.
 
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37. Diablo III
36. Fallout: New Vegas
Pffff, GTFO. Not even close.
 
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wtf is X-Com doing on an rpg list?

I assume that "Shadowrun" means Shadowrun for Sega...as much as I love that game I don't think I would ever objectively put it on a top 100 list. It was ambitious as hell for the time but it has TONS of issues. I could maybe put Dragonfall or Hong Kong (or just cheat and collectively put all three HBS Shadowrun games as one entry) in a top 100.

I wouldn't put any Bethesda game on a top 100 except Morrowind, Skyrim being #1 even in 2017 is an absolute joke. Fallout 3 being ranked #12 while F:NV is #36 is an even bigger joke.

Final Fantasy Tactics doesn't belong on the list any more than X-Com does. Neither does Fire Emblem: Awakening, Tactics Ogre, or however many other turn based strategy games are on the list.

Hell I don't even agree with their top 10, I could spend a life age of middle earth picking apart a top 100.
 
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Gavinmad said:
wtf is X-Com doing on an rpg list?

I assume that "Shadowrun" means Shadowrun for Sega...as much as I love that game I don't think I would ever objectively put it on a top 100 list. It was ambitious as hell for the time but it has TONS of issues. I could maybe put Dragonfall or Hong Kong (or just cheat and collectively put all three HBS Shadowrun games as one entry) in a top 100.

I wouldn't put any Bethesda game on a top 100 except Morrowind, Skyrim being #1 even in 2017 is an absolute joke. Fallout 3 being ranked #12 while F:NV is #36 is an even bigger joke.

Final Fantasy Tactics doesn't belong on the list any more than X-Com does. Neither does Fire Emblem: Awakening, Tactics Ogre, or however many other turn based strategy games are on the list.

Hell I don't even agree with their top 10, I could spend a life age of middle earth picking apart a top 100.
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Please post your personal 100 so we have something to compare their list to.
 
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Yeah from a "role play" and story perspective, there really wasnt much in the way of story in Xcom, but you still took the role of a commander of the whole thing so IDK. Like Gavinmad Gavinmad said, where the fuck do you draw the line?
 
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I would say FF:Tactics is more of an RPG than Castlevania:SOTN is.

That list is weird.
 
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Mist said:
I would say FF:Tactics is more of an RPG than Castlevania:SOTN is.

That list is weird.
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I'd say the opposite. These terms are so nebulous and bias is really a moot point. All that matters is the game better then the one in front of it. Skyrim being 1 is laughable, but I can see it being the introduction to rpgs for many a younger or casual
 
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#1 today has to be Cyberpunk 2077 with the patches + expac. It is very close to a fully realized cyberpunk RPG presented in an extremely slick format.
 
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Gavinmad said:
wtf is X-Com doing on an rpg list?

I assume that "Shadowrun" means Shadowrun for Sega...as much as I love that game I don't think I would ever objectively put it on a top 100 list. It was ambitious as hell for the time but it has TONS of issues. I could maybe put Dragonfall or Hong Kong (or just cheat and collectively put all three HBS Shadowrun games as one entry) in a top 100.

I wouldn't put any Bethesda game on a top 100 except Morrowind, Skyrim being #1 even in 2017 is an absolute joke. Fallout 3 being ranked #12 while F:NV is #36 is an even bigger joke.

Final Fantasy Tactics doesn't belong on the list any more than X-Com does. Neither does Fire Emblem: Awakening, Tactics Ogre, or however many other turn based strategy games are on the list.

Hell I don't even agree with their top 10, I could spend a life age of middle earth picking apart a top 100.
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Agreed on FO3/FONV. Xenosaga 1 being ahead of Xenogears is my own bone to pick with the list. Xenosaga 3 was easily the best game of that trilogy, isn't ranked, and still wasn't as good as Xenogears. For pure influence, EQ and UO probably should have been top five.

Regardless, Game Informer's editors have their opinions and they won't jive with everybody else, like all "top list" creators out there.

Wonder what type of weight/scoring system they used to work out list placement. This was a project all the editors participated in.

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#1 today has to be Cyberpunk 2077 with the patches + expac. It is very close to a fully realized cyberpunk RPG presented in an extremely slick format.
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They ever add a third-person mode? That was the thing that warded me off of really getting into it at launch. That and the issues. Nothing like spending a lot of time creating a character that you'll never actually get to see or look at in the game. The fuck?
 
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#1 today has to be Cyberpunk 2077 with the patches + expac. It is very close to a fully realized cyberpunk RPG presented in an extremely slick format.
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Total agreement. Game is a 10/10 in every area imo.

Top three have to be Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring. It's been a great few years for RPGs.

It's notable that the 2017 list had some fairly old games towards the top like FF6 which was 20 years old at that time. I think we only just have the tech to do justice to the scope of a game like FF6 in 3D and surpass it.
 
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