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Swagdaddy

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idk seems like they could just keep having sex and conjuring vagina monsters to merc everyone in their way, wasnt like a sacrifice or anything

shit was not explained to my standard, but w/e rest of show is golden so ill let it go
 

Chukzombi

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you cant vagina monster your way into the iron throne. robert also has 16 bastards running around. bastards who stannis has no fucking idea who they are. nobody would ever say. ok stannis. since there there is nobody left, here is the iron throne. the only way he or even Renly was ever going to take the crown was by force.
 

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If you recall Ser Davos had to smuggle the Red Priestess into a secret tunnel near Renly's camp, which suggests that the shadow creature spell has a very SHORT range. It seems like if it hadn't been for Davos' smuggler knowledge of the area, they wouldn't have been able to get close enough to pull it off. Probably the main reason they can't just use it as an instant "win the war" button.
 

Swagdaddy

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also i felt like they did a big 180 on tywn, between the stark daughter scenes and him putting tyrionn in charge as the hand he was starting to build some likability

then just felt like a manufactured borderline unrealistic rant against tyrionn this season just to make sure everyone remembered they were suppose to hate him, his whole rant didnt feel very believable to me altho it did get the point across that we are all suppose to dislike tywn
 

Alex

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Tywin made Tyrion Hand because he was family. That doesn't mean he has to like him. He just wasn't going to have someone who isn't a Lannister in that position.
 

Zhaun_sl

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I think magic gets brought up a few times... doesn't the Stark Maester of Winterfell talk about it? How magic is essentially gone from the world, just like the dragons.

So cooter wraiths are supposed to be a strange and mysterious and mostly unexplained I think. Literally a "What the fuck is this shit?!" and I think he displayed that well. She is literally not supposed to be able to make cooter wraiths, no one should be able to do anything so blatantly magical like that. Which is really half the point of it happening I think.

The other half is that by just offing Renly most of his armies will join Stannis, as opposed to an actual fight which would take time, supplies and lives, which were both better used against Joeffry's forces.
 

Chukzombi

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what scene is there that tywin is anything but a nasty fuck to tyrion? because he made him Hand? he didnt make tyrion Hand because he likes him, its because he needed one of his own people there to make sure things held together while tywin battles robb and he couldnt get anyone else to do it, he fucking HATES tyrion.
 

Zajeer

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Yeah only 10 episodes is a bit of a copout, they could easily do 13, it's gotta be one of their biggest shows, if not the biggest. Even The Wire got 13 a season.
Personally, I'm ok with the 10 episodes. I feel like the hour format is too short to give enough meaningful time to each location and story thread. How long was the Robb Stark scene - maybe 4 minutes? The scene with Littlefinger also seemed short. Also, some other story threads were left out completely this first episode - where's Jaime and Brienne? How about Arya? Bran?

I imagine they can't handle every character/location within 1 given episode, but even for some of those characters/locations, they are just 1 short, 4-5 minute scene which feels less gratifying. For me, I feel like dedicating 2 seperate scenes per episode to a character/location feels right. Tyrion for example had 2 scenes, and so did Daenyrs.
 

Chukzombi

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hell yeah, they are only a few months old and drogon's head is already larger than the oldest dragon head at KL.at the rate hes going if he lives to be 100 he'll be dwarfing Veeshan
 

Chrisd_sl

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I think Swagdaddy makes a good point about the series portrayal and he's not the only one who feels that way. He is wrong though, the very fact Tyrion had to ask for Casterly Rock shows it's not the about face for the character the series is leading people to believe.
 

Chrisd_sl

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It's the pits scene from AWDW, they're a couple of years old, but the descriptions of their size in the book isn't OMGHOLYFUCKZORS.
 

Feanor

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if you notice, Stannis has gotten sort of haggard. He also seemed overly preoccupied in this first episode. Melisandre is always with him. I think this might be a very subtle way to show that the witch's power needs to suck off psyche, in this case Stannis himself. Dark art might be cool and all, but it still needs a source. A down to dirt kind of source & i'm sure a man can only dream up so many vag monsters at a time. it must be draining, for both muse & mage.

also, the maester said it simply

you cant vagina monster your way into the iron throne.
 

Adam12

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It's the pits scene from AWDW, they're a couple of years old, but the descriptions of their size in the book isn't OMGHOLYFUCKZORS.
Big enough for Dany to easily fly away on his back, but yeah, that's still too large. Who cares though, it's a cool painting.
 

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Little late to the party, but wanted to add my two cents. Only read a few posts but it reminded me what I disliked about the premiere so wanted to get it out before I forgot then go back and read.

I was a bit disappointed by some of the scenes. GOT I always felt was about the story, not the characters, and the way they are portrayed in the show tends to be distinctly different, so as to almost twist some of the plots. Were I just watching the show I would feel differently about some of the characters. Major scenes for example were the Littlefinger/Sansa scene which never happens, and it takes almost the whole entire goddamn book to find out Littlefinger orchestrated the death of joffrey + got sansa out etc. This is sort of integral to his character, in that he actually has his hands in an abnormal amount of things, that you *never* know about until much later, and and/or don't even suspect him. (Joff's death, Jon Arryn's death, certain things in the vale, etc.)

I can only assume that due to things they've already revealed about Petyr that don't become known till later, that they want to make sure you understand that perhaps one of the things, or maybe the only thing that motivates Petyr is his love for Cat. The conversation didn't take place, but not only did they change Petyr's role in it, but they made Sansa out to be relatively bitter at that point, yet she's NOT QUITE there in the book. That might seem small but to me it made me feel different about her character.

The exchange between Tywin and Tyrion was another good example. It's obvious Tywin is not fond of Tyrion, but it makes him out to be a bit more openly aggressive whereas he's mainly passive aggressive in the book. Also, Tywin tends to do shitty things but he's not a total loss and I tend to respect him, because at the very least he aims for strong leadership for the kingdoms.

Also, someone correct me if I am wrong, but the Melisandre/Davos part was changed no? I don't remember him getting thrown into a cell though it's been awhile since I've read the book.

Selmy meeting Dany also was done differently - I suppose they had to show Selmy since once he met Dany it would be clear to the audience who it was, but I always regarded that time that he follows her as "sizing her up". I think he says he seeks her out because he was thrown out and had served her family before, and wanted to see if she was a worthy ruler or something? Either way, him just running after her and immediately offering her his sword didn't feel true to his character. Lol rebound queen?

I always told people not to worry too much about reading the book. That they definitely SHOULD, but that the show was enjoyable all on it's own. I still think that, but I think they are getting a watered down version in a way and that kind of makes me sad.

Martin makes all of these characters and all of these things so subtle, and then the tv show sort of takes that away. Meh.

Also, as mentioned, yea Tywin helped with the red wedding, but I am fairly sure based on his convo with tyrion in the book that he did not plan how it went. From what I remember it was very much a, "If anything untoward should befall the young wolf I might somehow find marriages and whatnot for your family etc." I believe he actually tells Tyrion something along the lines of "That was how they did it, so the dishonor is on them."

As far as catelyn, she deserves all the hatred. The biggest thing about her character is that she does the very opposite of what she should do, but KNOWS it. Eddard made stupid decisions, but he believed them to be the right path, for the good of all, the least likely to cause harm to anyone, and/or the most honorable way. If anything, his worst crime was in underestimating people and not realizing what assholes they all are. Also, realize that when he did the shit etc with cersei he was not expecting Robert to die suddenly, so...for example, when he tells cersei to leave, and thus ensures his death, this is all thinking that Robert will listen to him, he'll handle it, but he knows Robert would kick their asses so he gives them warning.

Catelyn on the other hand spends many pages in her POV stating how she knows the lannisters are that evil and yada yada yada and STILL DOES IT ANYWAYS. She mentions enough that you are fairly certain she knows what the consequences will be and carries on. So honestly, she doesn't really do things for the sake of her family, because if she HAD, she would have handled things much differently. Everything that happens from then on out is literally in reaction to her idiocy, and not only does she NEVER think that what she does is a terrible idea, but she goes behind other people's backs to do retarded things. She's lucky that somewhere along the line Jaime found his honor, because otherwise she would have been in so far over her head letting him go. As it is, I firmly believe the red wedding would have gone down differently had jaime still been a prisoner when they arrived.

It's part of the reason the book is so important; only with internal monologues do you have the ability to either dismiss or accept the reasons people have and the things they do. Catelyn however, spent a lot of her POVs telling you how she knew 2+2 = 4 and still was going to make it equal 5. That's not intelligent, and she started an entire war over it.
 

Swagdaddy

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i understand he dislikes tyrionn for boozing and whoring and the dead mom or what not

but after the battle scene it's just not believable to me the way he acted toward him considering his actions, specifically in season 2 tywn was not really that irrationally portrayed

maybe what the previous poster said about it being described a bit differently in the books, or him not being shown to have some likability/decency as he was shown to have in the show
 

Swagdaddy

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and for the record it doesnt bother me about tywn's rant it at least made (albeit little) sense

the shadow thing was still stupid tho (and an extremely convenient plot device), idc wut anyone says to try and defend it

shows amazing tho, first thing ive actually enjoyed on TV in probably a decade