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Blakkheim
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Here you go. Don't let the facts get in your way. The stupidity of the liberal/left in this country never ceases to amaze me. "We must have immediate action" to ban those scary looking black rifles that account for a tiny fraction of all gun deaths within the country.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-you...6#.UNUnEXfNl8G
http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-you...6#.UNUnEXfNl8G
Blakkheim
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Its amazing to me how similar this whole "gun control" debate is to two of the other major debates that have been raging in this country for the last decade. That being the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror", both of which are complete bullshit.
We are slowly but surely finally starting to come around to realizing how fucking stupid the "war on drugs" has been and continues to be. Prohibition of drugs has been a complete failure. Some of these same people who realize this and advocate for the legalization of drugs are here advocating for the prohibition of certain types of firearms. If you get your way, your "war on guns" will work out just as well as your war on drugs. With some 300 million guns in this country, you are not putting the genie back into the bottle.
The other comparison I see with this is to the farce known as the so called "war on terror". Some (the few non-hypocrites) on the liberal/left were rightly pissed and about how fear and anger were so successfully used by the repubs in the wake of 9/11 to push through constitution destroying legislation like the fucking Patriot Act. Yet, here they stand, ready to tear apart the 2nd amendment using fear and anger as your method to do it.
We are slowly but surely finally starting to come around to realizing how fucking stupid the "war on drugs" has been and continues to be. Prohibition of drugs has been a complete failure. Some of these same people who realize this and advocate for the legalization of drugs are here advocating for the prohibition of certain types of firearms. If you get your way, your "war on guns" will work out just as well as your war on drugs. With some 300 million guns in this country, you are not putting the genie back into the bottle.
The other comparison I see with this is to the farce known as the so called "war on terror". Some (the few non-hypocrites) on the liberal/left were rightly pissed and about how fear and anger were so successfully used by the repubs in the wake of 9/11 to push through constitution destroying legislation like the fucking Patriot Act. Yet, here they stand, ready to tear apart the 2nd amendment using fear and anger as your method to do it.
There has always been a huge amount of guns in the United States. Yes gun ownership is up in the past few decades, but there are not 2 or 3 times the amount of guns in the public hands now than there were in the 20's and 30's. And yet the violence has only gotten worse in the past decades. Don't ya think that may have something to do with society and not guns?
Blakkheim
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And as for an actual solution, here you go. I stole this from another board I frequently read but it pretty much sums up what we actually need to be focusing on:
Legalize pot - no more failed "war on drugs" nonsense.
Use the saved money for drug & mental illness treatment.
Expand the use of involuntary commitment.
Make the background check database more efficient - including the mentally ill required to be listed.
Use the extra prison cell room to incarcerate violent criminals.
Throw away the cell key for the s$#@! who use a firearm to commit a crime.
Improve school security throughout the nation. Start with volunteer retired military and police.
It won't stop all the bad $#@! from going down, but it sure as hell would be a lot more effective than the dumbass politicians' feelgood bans that don't do crap.
Legalize pot - no more failed "war on drugs" nonsense.
Use the saved money for drug & mental illness treatment.
Expand the use of involuntary commitment.
Make the background check database more efficient - including the mentally ill required to be listed.
Use the extra prison cell room to incarcerate violent criminals.
Throw away the cell key for the s$#@! who use a firearm to commit a crime.
Improve school security throughout the nation. Start with volunteer retired military and police.
It won't stop all the bad $#@! from going down, but it sure as hell would be a lot more effective than the dumbass politicians' feelgood bans that don't do crap.
BrutulTM
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No it hasn't. Violence has been declining steadily since the 80's. It's currently about as low as it's been at any time in the history of the US.
Big Phoenix
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God damnit dont let facts get in the way of knee jerk emotional responses!Here you go. Don't let the facts get in your way. The stupidity of the liberal/left in this country never ceases to amaze me. "We must have immediate action" to ban those scary looking black rifles that account for a tiny fraction of all gun deaths within the country.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-you...6#.UNUnEXfNl8G
Fuse
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Maybe I'm misreading that graph, but it appears we may have an issue with gun violence in this country.Here you go. Don't let the facts get in your way. The stupidity of the liberal/left in this country never ceases to amaze me. "We must have immediate action" to ban those scary looking black rifles that account for a tiny fraction of all gun deaths within the country.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-you...6#.UNUnEXfNl8G
Blakkheim
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One more issue that I think needs to be discussed that, as far as I can tell, has been completely ignored up until this point in this whole debate is the liability of the school itself. Everyone one of the parents of those murdered school children should get together and sue the ever loving hell out of that school and their administration. If you put your child and his or her safety into to the complete control of this organization then they should be liable for it when shit like this happens. One thing that we all know that motivates people to take action is money. When these schools start getting sued into fucking oblivion for not protecting the children they are responsible for, they might start thinking about beefing up their security. From what we've heard so far, this asshole broke into the school without too much trouble. Obviously, not one damn person in the school had any damn idea about how to defend against anyone with any type of weapon at all, much less an "assault rifle". I guarantee you, after a few of these school districts got held monetarily liable for their shit security, they would damn sure find enough money in their budgets to find a security guard or at least get some trained volunteers in their to help. Everyone of these schools has a PTO filled with volunteers there to help out with everything under the sun that these schools need. Yet some people act like it would be impossible to get volunteers for security (who are armed and trained to use their weapon).
BrutulTM
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Blakkheim
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Fuse
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I've said several times how I would like to address it. It dosen't include banning anything.
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.p...ll=1#post28701
Big Phoenix
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You still fail to grasp the concept that criminals do not care for laws. Laws on top of laws are as about as useful as pouring gasoline onto a fire to put it out.
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earthfell
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Big P doesn't realize these are human laws and not natural laws. Laws give the society legitimacy to prosecute and punish those who break them, they do not promise to prevent those actions, just to provide victims of it a path to justice.
Big P why are you an anarchist?
Big P why are you an anarchist?
I think he's saying an assault rifle ban won't solve the problem in this case.
Gun ownership and the types of guns people own are not the issue.
The problem is the people who own the guns, they are irresponsible and don't lock their shit up. Then the guns get stolen by crazy people. Crazy people who will still find ways to kill people even if guns aren't available so mental health should be discussed as one way to minimize these incidents (you're smoking crack if you think the world will ever be completely safe).
Also responsible gun ownership should become the law, lock that shit up if you aren't using it or actively carrying it on your person. I bet more people would secure their guns if we start locking up people who had guns stolen off a coffee table that ended up used in crimes.
tad10
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It's certainly true that all of it plays into the guy going nuts: violent movies, too much CoD or wtf he was playing, and the morbid coverage of previous mass killings - blah blah blah
But of course the key ingredient was the fact he was probably nuts from the get-go. None of that would have mattered if he wasn't.
All that said, not cool to diss the First Amendment when you're trying to protect the Second.
I think cops/guards in school are where we are going - already there in that conservative redneck bastion of New York City so I don't get the faux liberal outrage. Fund it with a 1% tax on ammo/gun purchases.
@Sebudai cite please.
I think I read a quote from the mayor of new york earlier, it kind of echoes what I was saying a few days ago.
Cops with guns in schools are ok, but it shouldn't be mandatory. If the citizens of a state / county want the extra tax burden of a security force of questionable effectiveness, that should be their choice.
Big Phoenix
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No, its already illegal to murder, rape, steal, randomly fire guns in the air, point them at people(and a few hundred thousand other things too). Laws on top of laws is about the dumbest most fucking retarded thing there is in our society, its nothing but people doing useless feelgood bullshit to make themselves look important or that they matter.