I kinda feel like you don't possess any reading comprehension skills. I was replying to his first sentence. Do you need me to explain its meaning to you?
Health Care Thread
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Vaclav
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Not all unions get remotely the same health plans. Grocery unions don't get "Cadillac plans" for one, I don't believe teacher's unions do either. Most Federal employee unions get decent health plans, but they're not "Cadillac". (My mother's breast cancer on her Federal plan - $40k in costs [in one year] compared to a_skeleton_03's costs)
But please, keep talking out of your ass about things you know a fraction about and then extrapolating out an in depth analysis that's completely wrong because you make a ton of false assumptions.
You may want to inform yourself of current events and see how many Democrats supported delaying the Obamacare tax on Cadillac plans in the spending bill that was passed by the House last night because so many of their union constituents were going to get hit by it.
Cad
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You realize that he was referring to the people with actual money that pay cash to see the best doctors, not union members with "cadillac" plans? A certain number of the best doctors don't even accept insurance. Of course, if you read what he said you'd know that.
Rescorla has to stay within the realm of regurgitation. He knows government inefficient, regulation bad, obamacare cost rise, free market is champion, and all the associated reductive anecdotes that allow him to escape from critical thought in a moments notice.
Quaid
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Clearly the U.S. isdoing something rightif the health of their citizens is (just marginally) better than those from economic powerhouses like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Mexico, and Panama!
Seriously though, your whole country should be ashamed of reports like this.
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Vaclav
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You understand that's not substantially hitting them, right? The rules on what defines a Cadillac plan in the ACA on effect the absolute strongest unions - so grats on being wrong? You love to trump some minority as if it's a majority for everything it seems. Only just started noticing your posting, but this is a consistent habit of yours.
The Cadillac plans that the ACA hits (if you'd actually read the ACA, like I have) include provisions for reimbursing flights and car rentals. Find me a single union that provides that type of insurance, just one. Much less "all". It refers to plans that are popular with the excessively wealthy, and it's a campaign year... and look at the list of (only 27 - lol? - That's a ton, bro, really - 27/188) Democrats that are supporting the delay... all the ones I recognize are in areas where their re-election odds are dicey.
Hmm... can't possibly be to save their big donors money so they can get more campaign funding to keep their job. No sir.
And the definition of a Cadillac plan is $27.5k/yr or more in costs for an family plan under the ACA - UAW plans for employees with nearly 10 yrs service are currently barely over that threshold ($33k), any more recent hires don't break it. And mind you that's the example for the FAR STRONGEST union out there.
Also note that the tax only applies on the portion that exceeds the threshold - so a $33k/yr plan like theirs would barely get taxed (only taxed on $5.5k worth - at 40% that's $2.2k over the year or roughly $1/hr of wages lost effectively - trivial for those earning $40/hr like they do) but a $100k+/yr plan, like those that CEOs carry, would be taxed on $72.5k.
Talking points, propaganda and political narratives are regurgitated. Facts are presented and discussed.
Why should I as an individual be ashamed if some lazy fat slob who doesn't take care of himself gets diabetes? Why should I be ashamed if someone abuses drugs and becomes addicted to them? Why should I be ashamed if someone wants to smoke cigarettes and gets lung cancer?
The concept that people are responsible for their own actions seems lost on some people.
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How about the fact that the citizens who reside in richest nation on the planet have a similar health level to Central American banana farmers?
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This is why Picasso called you a talking point regurgitator with myopic reductionist arguments. *shrug*
Vaclav
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The concept that those aren't the ONLY FACTORS IN PLAY seems lost on you. Sure those are factors, but even nations with similar levels in all three post better results than us - for a fraction of the cost. This is part of why some people (wrongly, since the reporting isn't universally the same) quote infant mortality rates - since that's "blank slate" territory. (Which we come up awful on, but again, there's no standard for reporting so it's hard to use it accurately)
I'm the in the process of a return to work (first interviews a week into the new year - could've set it up sooner, but don't want to start until Feb I think to get everything in order first) - and do you know what I dread the most about returning to work? The massive drop in quality of coverage I'll get from losing Medicare. Unless I'm paying out the ass or limiting myself with an HMO my quality will drop drastically - fortunately we do have a pretty awesome HMO in this county that looks tolerable, but I've not checked into the rates yet, just coverage.
Yet you, Picasso and other leftwingers here don't seem to have any problems with regurgitating your own leftwing talking points.
Just so you know, whenever you resort to invoking Political Correctness to try and put me on the defensive the only thing it accomplishes is forcing me to lower my opinion of you.
Lastly, healthcare is an industry that provides a service. As the evidence shows, the quality of service provided is better than anywhere else in the world. All of the factors you believe are negatively impacting the overall health of US citizens are sociological problems that have absolutely nothing to do with the healthcare industry. You are correct that we as a society should be ashamed of that. Social conservatives like Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson say the same exact thing about those societal problems.
Thanks for taking the time to type all of that out. Here is all you really need to know. The number of Union members with access to Cadillac plans is so large that for multiple national elections the Democrats have kicked the can down the road and delayed the penalty in fear that it will hurt the Democrat party's electoral hope. They did it again just last night. My guess is they saw how much Union support was going Trump's way.
I only listed 3 of a countless number of factors because that was all I needed to make point. Quaid and others are operating under the mistaken assumption that health metrics based on sociological factors is somehow indicative of the quality of the healthcare system in that country. That is absurd. Just yesterday a study was released that 9 out of 10 cancer cases are due to poor lifestyle choices.
Up to 90% of cancer 'could be wiped out by avoiding triggers' | Daily Mail Online
It is widely known the US has a major problem with obesity. Do you think the healthcare system in the US is in any manner to blame for that problem?
Quaid
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lol.
Also, the country with the best healthcare technology and practitioners on the planet has the 33rd healthiest population. It couldn't be because your system itself is broken. Nope!
Quaid
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You can't even imagine a national healthcare system where your doctor acts as something more than a treatment machine, can you? You don't have a concept of preventative measures being taken to manage your ongoing health. Visiting a doctor several times per year just to talk about your general health. You think our doctors don't give us shit and help us with plans if they notice us gaining weight or if our cholesterol is rising? Do you think this kind of prevention is cheaper that waiting for catastrophic health concerns leading to massive treatments?
Do you not see how free psychiatric care could prevent self medication via illegal drug use? How that has cost saving influences to a socialized health care system?
I'm honestly at a loss. No wonder the US is in the hole that it's in regarding health care. Your leaders have convinced half the country to ram their own heads up their asses on the topic.