Health Care Thread

Last time I was a contractor, back in like 2005, I had to pay for my entire healthcare premium. It cost me $700 per month for me and my family. and this was not some premium policy either. Thats like a mortgage payment for a small house. I would hate to see what the premium would be today.

Hoss_sl said:

LOL you're so naive. Generally speaking, the only thing you can tell from the official name of an act is what it will not do.

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LOL sad but true.

Cad_sl said:

I mean sure, it sucks that she can't afford it... but if she makes enough to get no subsidy, she CAN afford it. She's choosing not to.

This is why I can't stand discussing politics with anybody. If you're a self-identified "republican", then either Obama is spending too much money and intruding on my personal freedoms (giving subsidies and making coverage minimums mandatory) or he's failing to do so (not giving ENOUGH subsidies, care still not affordable, etc). No matter what he does he'll be wrong. So who cares? And the self-identified democrats aren't any better, they'd attack republican policies the same way. There's almost no use discussing shit anymore. There's no real discussion.

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I agree with you, I think no matter what Obama does regarding healthcare it will be wrong. But that's because I don't really feel that government has any place in healthcare in the first place. I don't think government bureaucracy is capable of running the simplest of things let alone a system as complex as healthcare but that may be a paradigm shift from those that believe in a more centralized government.

That being said, I think this woman, that Obama trotted out as a success story, was exactly the type of person his political campaign was geared at, and she was lied to. The message for almost 5 years was that ACA would lower premiums by $2500, and as I pointed out, AFFORDABLE is in the name of the law LOL! I just find it funny how now that the law is actually enacted all of the empathy dries up and it's her choice not to get health insurance...oh and BTW...it's going to be even better when she has to pay a fine (tax) for the health insurance she can't afford to buy.

BurnemWizfyre_sl said:

I find it funny that Americans now think that we are lesser than other countries, we can't have government ran health care because government isn't smart enough to handle it. Guess where the people in government come from, I'll give you a hint, it's not other countries.

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In another life I sold paper to the city, county and state government, yes I was pretty much Jim from The Office. It was a nightmare dealing with government procurement. Nepotism and laziness were pretty much par for the course. This was for paper. For what it's worth I don't have much love for corporate bureaucracies either?

BurnemWizfyre_sl said:

If other first world countries can manage single payer, I am more than positive that we can as well. By making the argument that we as a country aren't capable of government run health care is directly implying that we as a country aren't smart enough, which is a fucking stupid ass statement. We can easily have government ran health care, we just need all the stupid people to stfu and get out of the way.

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Calm down. I didn't insult you, please don't insult me. If you really believe that the government is a haven of efficiency and that the best and brightest are government employees, then that is your prerogative. I just don't agree. Maybe I should rethink my stance considering how well the ACA rollout has been...

Disp_sl said:

It sucks that she ran into so many problems, but her story doesn't add up very well. I plugged a household income of $48,000 with her and her kid into a California plan and here's what I get:

She can get a silver plan for both her and her kid with a $250 Brand name drug deductible for $380/mo, with over $300/mo. in subsidy. The government will pay almost half of her health insurance cost, and her annual deductible for brand name drugs is the same as she supposedly spends in just 1 month out of pocket.

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I'm not 100% on this so please don't misunderstand as I'm not making this as a statement of fact, but the way I understand it is that the websites are giving back erroneous information regarding your subsidies/cost which is exactly what happened to this woman. But once the application actually goes through and the policy is underwritten, the true costs have been much higher than the "quoted" costs. Not saying her story is legit but it could explain your findings.

BurnemWizfyre_sl said:

No one is upset, you made a stupid fucking comment and I pointed it out. Not once did I claim anything about efficiency ever or that people in government are the best and brightest. I simply said that if you think we are incapable of government ran health care when multiple other countries are more than capable of doing so you are implying that we are not smart enough to be able to do so, which is a completely retarded opinion.

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So why is my comment stupid? Please tell me what gives you such confidence in our government? The very legislators that currently have a 9% approval rating would be writing the laws that would enact a single payer plan and it would be botched just as much as the ACA has. So instead of calling my comments stupid, please tell me what you are so confident about in regards to our government's ability to legislate?

BurnemWizfyre_sl said:

You said we are incapable of government ran health care, as if this country is to fucking stupid to be able to copy another country.

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I never said stupid. If you're going to quote me at least quote what I said and maybe try to answer a question instead of just calling my comments stupid.