Mures
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I could point out where you're wrong again, but I think I've made it pretty clear and I have to go out.
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Elerion
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But over the last couple of months there hasn't been a single deck that hasn't had a counter. Before the nerf, the "overpowered" freeze mage decks were forced out of the high-end ranked ladder because more than half the field started running heals and giant killers to counter it.
Angelwatch
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The problem with Rush decks are that they are extremely difficult to actually counter. While not every rush game wins on turn 5 or 6, enough do that Mage Control simply can't keep up. Pre-nerf, when I went second as a Mage, two cards I always kept were Frostbolt and Blizzard. A turn 4 Coin + Blizzard was amazing control and could keep Rushes locked down long enough for me to establish my mid-game and get the direct damage into their face.
And, yes, Rush decks do not go strictly for the face. The goal is to make efficient trades while forcing your opponent into inefficient trades. Mirror matches are very common so those games come down to who has the better opening hand, better draws and the skill to know what to play, when to play it and when to force trades.
And, yes, Rush decks do not go strictly for the face. The goal is to make efficient trades while forcing your opponent into inefficient trades. Mirror matches are very common so those games come down to who has the better opening hand, better draws and the skill to know what to play, when to play it and when to force trades.
You made it clear those 2 quotes are exactly the same, and at no point did I say you have to leeroy ineveryLock rush deck, or even draw him as theonlyway to win games...
which is what your below quote says exactly
The object of that particular deck is to finish with leeroy, whether it be comboed or not.
Doesnt matter if you can still win without him, you put him in a lock deck because of the low cost pyroblast combo not to remove a threat off the board....
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I agree, not saying mages were OP, was just explaining what he meant since it seemed fairly obvious to me.
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Just got my beta key last week. It is interesting to see all this advanced talk about a game that isn't even out yet. =)
My first impressions went like this:
Holy shit this game looks amazing!
Production value is through the roof, as expected from Blizzard. Good good!
This is so much fun!
Hmm, no lands. You gain guaranteed deck resource efficiency but lose a layer of complexity. I can dig it I guess.
I must say, 'Taunt' > 'Defender'
No graveyard. Another layer lost.
This game really isn't nearly as in-depth as Magic, nor is it even set up to be.
This game sucks.
So why do I keep coming back?
I see, the battlefield complexity can get pretty immense at times and with the ability to trade creatures, it actually gains a layer that Magic doesn't exactly have.
Arena is brilliant.
This game is worth playing.
This game is worth learning.
I'm having fun so far. At first I thought, "This is Magic for kids". And I still think it has an obvious dearth of overall meta-complexity when compared to Magic, but it is still quite well designed, quite fun, and by no means 'just for kids'.
My first impressions went like this:
Holy shit this game looks amazing!
Production value is through the roof, as expected from Blizzard. Good good!
This is so much fun!
Hmm, no lands. You gain guaranteed deck resource efficiency but lose a layer of complexity. I can dig it I guess.
I must say, 'Taunt' > 'Defender'
No graveyard. Another layer lost.
This game really isn't nearly as in-depth as Magic, nor is it even set up to be.
This game sucks.
So why do I keep coming back?
I see, the battlefield complexity can get pretty immense at times and with the ability to trade creatures, it actually gains a layer that Magic doesn't exactly have.
Arena is brilliant.
This game is worth playing.
This game is worth learning.
I'm having fun so far. At first I thought, "This is Magic for kids". And I still think it has an obvious dearth of overall meta-complexity when compared to Magic, but it is still quite well designed, quite fun, and by no means 'just for kids'.
Rank 4 (again). I think tomorrow I may just go at it till I hit rank 1, at least. I really find I've gotten better at the game. Which cards to play when. I did make two errors today that were pretty bad, imo. One was Paladin played turn 1 Argent Squire. I shot it with Elven Archer and ended turn, thinking he'd either attack, or trade, and next turn I was going to coin out Juggler+Imp. But he hit it with a Divine Shield from Ardent, so now I have a clear board and he has a 1/1 and a 2/2. If I'd coined and Imped, he couldn't have killed it.
Second one was I had two Knife Jugglers in hand and a Harvest Golem on the board I was going to trade. I could have played both Jugglers, traded the Golem, and the summoning of the Damaged Golem procs the Jugglers. Would have 75% chance of clearing his board completely, instead of leaving a 2/2 up. Almost cost me the game.
That said I did really well today. Even though you don't get bonus stars, I streaked through rank 5. No losses at all.
Second one was I had two Knife Jugglers in hand and a Harvest Golem on the board I was going to trade. I could have played both Jugglers, traded the Golem, and the summoning of the Damaged Golem procs the Jugglers. Would have 75% chance of clearing his board completely, instead of leaving a 2/2 up. Almost cost me the game.
That said I did really well today. Even though you don't get bonus stars, I streaked through rank 5. No losses at all.
Nidhogg
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Finally got a chance to play some after they patched. Went from 25 to 14 in a sitting. Paladin deck still really really strong. Only lost a few to poor draws + godly luck, two rush decks and a mage that top decked a pyro the turn before I swung for lethal.
Can probably ride this to Rank 1.
Can probably ride this to Rank 1.
In EU I feel that fairly early in the morning and late in the night it's definitely a bit harder than during prime time
Well, starting from rank 20, you can basically half the population each rank. Win streaks make this slightly inaccurate, but considering we're really just going for a rough estimate doesn't matter. So if there are a million people in the NA beta, there are about a thousand people at rank 10. I think there are actually like 3-4 million people in the beta.
Caliane
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just jumping back in this thread abit.
Don't really feel the need to stick around rehashing dislike.
but saw this and felt the need to restate. Try Duel of Champions. Its basically to Hearthstone, what path of exile is to Diablo3.
It very elegantly solves so many of the problems hearthstone has.
the board/lanes solves both the attack/defend issue, as well as sets up a proper means of attacking the champion directly, vs defending the champion.
It solves the coin vs 1st turn/2nd turn much better, by having stat requirements on cards. As well as creating another new system and complexity to deck building with it.
The only things I miss from hearthstone are drag and drop UI, voice acting, and clicking random shit on the screen while waiting for the opponent.
There is a streamer trying to go from rank 15 to rank 1 today. He is at rank 3, currently 1 win from 2.
MaSsanSC - Twitch
MaSsanSC - Twitch