Hearthstone

Its no different than getting a secret off a cabal card discover as like a priest or lock. Don't see why you shouldn't be able to discover them, just might be only paladin from the card's class restriction.

I just watched a friend play on rank 7 with his dragon priest against another dragon priest.

Netherspite historian: if you are holding a dragon, discover drakonid operative.
Drakonid operative: if you are holding a dragon, discover netherspite historian

repeat
repeat
repeat

what a stupid game lol

Rogue continues to get absolute dogshit, holy fuck what are they doing with that class?

The insane relative power of 1 drops to the rest of the curve is certainly an issue. The general power balance over the whole game is kinda dumb too. So many cards are blatantly awful for no reason (see: new rogue legendary) that may have an interesting effect but never get used. RNG is OK in some cases but the broadness of RNG in almost every card is too insane. When the RNG is effectively "win the game, lose the game, or do nothing" at roughly equal chances, that's terrible design, and that's what a ton of it boils down do when you analyze it. Rag and Syl weren't too bad when there was no expansion because they were basically the entire RNG of the game, and their effects were also somewhat playable around. Every expansion since has vastly increased the number of RNG cards and the unpredictability and potential of those effects at the same time.

Look at that Shaman elemental guy. That's actually a GOOD card, pretty well designed. None of those effects are overwhelming on their own, and the fact you can chose is the difference between a terrible design and a good one. If it was RNG it may or may not see play and would just be another dumb thing out of your control.

Discover was cited as a good design, still some RNG but with choice, and I would partially agree except the power difference potential for most discover options are still too huge to predict or play around.

So, the power level of 1 drops is too high, enabling aggro to have very few counters. The potential of RNG to be either game-losing or game-winning is too ubiquitous, taking agency out of players' hands. And the power of "interesting" cards is almost non-existent, discouraging people from experimenting with deck design. Oh, and ladder rewards winning and losing as fast as possible, further discouraging experimentation.

So that's what you're working with, I guess.

I find it funny that they are pushing some kind of Rogue control deck with their quest yet they don't seem to realise that 5/5s won't do shit against the barrage of 5+/5+ golems that Jade Druid shits out for 1 mana.

Thank God i quit this game over a month ago. Nothing released so far tells me that Blizzard has any idea wtf they are doing. Look at both Shaman legendaries. 7 mana 8/8 that can board clear, smorc, heal or give board control. 5 mana 8/8 over stated minion with no overload that replenishes your hand so they don't run out of steam if they play smorc. Yeah, Shamans really needed those cards.

You then compare those to that piece of shit Rogue legendary

Fuck this

Also, as long as Rogue doesn't have some kind of decent heal and board clear, they will never be a good control class. Not to mention the complete lack of good weapon cards that Blade Flurry died for because of 'LOL DESIGN SPACE!!1!'

Fucking facepalm

Having to play a five mana spell that does nothing immediately in order to make future minions after turn 5+ be 5/5's is pretty fucking slow too. Lots slower than jades, plenty of jade cards at least do SOMETHING else that turn, however minimal.

What a sweet rogue card to print just after gang up rotates out.

Ok, fair enough I didn't really consider how it changes your board. That does make it a little better but still seems like the worst quest mechanic so far.

The question is, what the fuck does the rogue quest even reward? Like, rogue has no way to repeatedly swarm the board. Very limited draw options, most of which are too slow/late game for 5/5s to muster up, no zoo-like options at all really, LoE is rotating out so can't even gamble on changing your hero power to Pally or Lock, and when you have to dedicate a bunch of your deck to completing a quest that gives you... what, exactly, you're already hurting.

Seriously, what power do you gain from your minions being 5/5? You can beat up aggro minions, but tempo/midrange can probably beat you WITHOUT a quest because better card value, and control will beat you because 5/5s mean nothing in that matchup more likely than not.

It's the same question that you have to ask about the rogue legendary... what do you gain from a 5/3 with no ability?

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Also, mimic pod seems really bad. I put 1 in just for the 50% chance to draw a cheap minion, but it's expensive and doesn't help on board at all.

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Mimic is a bad card.

Thistle Tea is a shit card that isn't played in any decks. Mimic is a mini Thistle Tea and also does nothing on the turn it is played and cannot be played on curve since you will get out tempoed unless you combo it with a prep but that is just dumb.