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Do you play Butcher? He seems so similar to Thrall but his charge allows him to be less map dependent since I assume you only play Thrall on Spider because there are so many hiding spots to ambush.
 
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Tenks_sl said:
Do you play Butcher? He seems so similar to Thrall but his charge allows him to be less map dependent since I assume you only play Thrall on Spider because there are so many hiding spots to ambush.
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Nah, haven't played him at all yet but he seems pretty good. I just think Thrall's heroic is far more of a game changer overall. Also, I like that Thrall can heal up through his passive from afar with Q's and his 7 talent whereas Butcher is forced to go deep to do the same thing and is far more susceptible to blinds/cc.
 
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Yeah you can't yolo engage with Butcher you have to be aware of the battle and let it play out for a sec before engaging in with him. If you do you'll just eat the CC and die.
 
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They need to add a refund system like Hearthstone. Spent 10k on Leo a few days ago instead of buying my Butcher.
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I swear, 90% of games are lost in the draft. People picking heroes that have no play in a particular comp or on a specific map.

"Man, we already have a wave clearer and one of the better front-line warriors. Oh, we're lacking damage and could really use an assassin? I know!! Johanna!!".

Daily quests need to be fucking eliminated or completely fucking generalized. Play X games, Win X games, etc. Play as a X class, or X pantheon fucking ruins so many games.
 
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Well I've found a lot of people in HL really only know how to play one character particularly well (or only enjoy playing one character). So they just spam it, regardless of context. Had a game yesterday with someone who had 638 Lili games and simply could not understand her job was to heal and in order to heal you needed to be with the team. But she topped damage (with not one single takedown the whole game, she just picked at them and used her trait to get away).

I feel like the only way to get away from people like that is team league, but getting five people to be online at the same time has proved pretty difficult. Which is a shame, because I like the counterplay of drafting a lot.
 
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I wish you could flag yourself for a role if you really want to and sit in the queue longer. If you only play assassin and have no clue on playing support or warrior it sucks when that person is forced into playing warrior or support. Even people that flag themselves as wanting to play Valla aren't always obeyed.
 
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I feel the change to Nova where her decoys appear on the mini-map actually is quite the buff to her. It used to be the decoys were meaningless because you'd just quickly glance at the minimap and figure out this wasn't a real Nova. It should be a pretty big passive gain to her survivability.
 
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They also fixed the health bars too apparently, so yea I agree indirect buffs to Nova. It will be interesting to see how the meta shifts with Medic.
 
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Tenks_sl said:
I wish you could flag yourself for a role if you really want to and sit in the queue longer. If you only play assassin and have no clue on playing support or warrior it sucks when that person is forced into playing warrior or support. Even people that flag themselves as wanting to play Valla aren't always obeyed.
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I think the drafting in HotS has a lot of potential improvements to be made. Even in the draft rather than pre-selecting a hero, why not pre-select a role? Bear in mind I haven't played a moba since DotA was a WC3 mod, so some of this may already exist in other games but... like why does a random order determine which heroes you may get because of limited selection/proficiency? Couldn't you make the draft so that people can switch heroes, or draft the team and then assign heroes?
 
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The Master_sl said:
I think the drafting in HotS has a lot of potential improvements to be made. Even in the draft rather than pre-selecting a hero, why not pre-select a role? Bear in mind I haven't played a moba since DotA was a WC3 mod, so some of this may already exist in other games but... like why does a random order determine which heroes you may get because of limited selection/proficiency? Couldn't you make the draft so that people can switch heroes, or draft the team and then assign heroes?
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DOTA is a lot more fluid for hero roles than Heroes. It is mainly determined on your farm priority. Sure there are some heroes which are pure support and have no way to ever play as a carry but even some of the supports if they get farm can carry fights. I think maybe how LoL does it would be a better analog for HotS. HotS has more in common with LoL than it does with DOTA. I honestly don't know how LoL does it but I always hear people say their rank is based off a role (adc, jungle, etc) instead of just "I'm Rank1" it is like "I'm Rank1 Jungle." Having never played the game I don't know if that just means people are auto picking jungle or if the game tries to form a team with like 1 jungle 1 adc 1 support 1 apc 1 flex or something.
 
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I believe they have mentioned that they want to add the ability to "trade picks" like Master described; essentially you draft a team but there is no assignment of heroes, you pick 5 and then you play whatever one you agreed too - which would be great imo, since it sucks when you have your first pick Nova etc because that's all that person can play (although not sure it would make a difference for those types of players but hopefully you get what I'm saying). Obviously this is a long ways off since we don't even have ban(s) yet but maybe someday.
 
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I believe they are going to look into bans in TL now that they have added more supports. If it ever hits HL who knows. Honestly it should since absolutely no one plays TL and HL is the default queue for the most part. They claim it is a UI issue but just make it a simple democratic process. Each person can select one hero to be banned at the start of the game. After that everyone votes on who should be banned. If everyone votes for their own then re-vote and disallow people from picking their own selection. If there is still a tie then select a hero randomly from the most picked in the tie and move on with your life.

If they make a more complicated pick/ban phase (ie: the Blizzard system of mid-point bans) then they'll have to have some way of Captains Mode. Maybe you can flag yourself as "I'm comfortable being captain" when queuing and make sure each 5 team in HL gets at least one person willing to captain. Maybe if you troll captain have that as a report option after the game and you can be banned from being captain even.
 
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They said they didn't want to add bans until they had more supports and were going to do it after medic came out, so we have that to look forward to.
 
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They've said they can pretty easily add bans for team league. They've still said they're struggling with UX and "How would that work?" for bans in hero league.
 
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The problem is.. who would decide which hero to ban? They need to come up with some UI that let's a group of 5 people vote or something.
 
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The problem is.. who would decide which hero to ban? They need to come up with some UI that let's a group of 5 people vote or something.
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I said something similar up top. I don't see how it is as hard as Blizzard makes it out to be. Even if they do add complicated pick/ban phases they could implement a voting method for each ban. Just make sure you only have 10-15 seconds to pick, 10-15 seconds to vote instead of too long.
 
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Yea, I think any system (at first) will be better than nothing, and they really have done a good job of listening to the community and tweaking things along the way already, no reason they can't do that here as well.
 
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