Royal
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That's the issue for some of those backing the law as well; go live someplace else.
Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? *sigh*
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Royal
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Now the governor is trying to walk this thing back a little. Or rather be seen as trying to.
Gov. Mike Pence to push for clarification of 'religious freedom' law
Gov. Mike Pence to push for clarification of 'religious freedom' law
I guess he wasn't paying attention when Arizona was working on it's bill, which their Republican governor ended up vetoing.
So when asked if gays are welcome in his state he replied "we have the super bowl!" Is that to say people who watch the super bowl are generally queer?
Royal
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That's one of his examples of the state displaying it's hospitality to people from all walks of life. Of course that was A) before the law was passed giving legal cover to those with no interest in extending that hospitality to people from certain segments of society and B) many Superbowl attendees are from outside of the state. They're there for a weekend, not living there everyday.
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As is clear from Tad and others defending this law, it seems that these people are so far up in their own ass redefining the 1st amendment to specifically allow bigotry, that they seem absolutely flabbergasted that some people find it offensive. We are for rights for all derp no seriously derp!
Just goes to show you, that you can pull a Tad (or Tanoomba) and redefine your words all you want, but no one else is obligated to fall for it.
Just goes to show you, that you can pull a Tad (or Tanoomba) and redefine your words all you want, but no one else is obligated to fall for it.
hodj
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The religious right have been on a tear trying to put themselves up on the cross as the persecuted people in our society, while they are the ones doing all the actual persecution.
I read Hot Air articles for some stupid fucking reason regularly, and they were doing that shit on there, whining that gays are the "politically popular point of view" or some such nonsense, and then proclaiming that the religious right has no rights and all that tripe.
I mean please. Get down off that fucking cross, this society has contorted itself to fit the delusional world views of the religious for generations, and the tiniest bit of pushback against that shit finally starts occurring, and they're all acting like Hitler is marching their asses onto the trains to Sobibor, and not the other way around. Tad crying everyone else is a fascist is a great example of that.
The funniest part is that that'sexactly how Hitler portrayed the Catholic German blue collar labor class that supported himas if they were the ones being persecuted by the Jews, thereby justifying the counter measures used to remove the Jewish "menace" from German society.
It is literally, 100%, undeniably, exactly the type of doublethink nonsense that Orwell was writing about in 1984.
Demanding you stop persecuting others based on their fundamental characteristics, and refusing to pander to your demands to do so, is not, and never will be, discrimination against your religious beliefs.
Its like stepping into an alternative reality trying to talk to these people about these issues. Christians love to pretend that its 250 CE, and they're all being thrown into the Gladiatorial pits with the lions and shit by Nero, when nothing remotely close, not even within the same fucking universe, is actually occurring.
I read Hot Air articles for some stupid fucking reason regularly, and they were doing that shit on there, whining that gays are the "politically popular point of view" or some such nonsense, and then proclaiming that the religious right has no rights and all that tripe.
I mean please. Get down off that fucking cross, this society has contorted itself to fit the delusional world views of the religious for generations, and the tiniest bit of pushback against that shit finally starts occurring, and they're all acting like Hitler is marching their asses onto the trains to Sobibor, and not the other way around. Tad crying everyone else is a fascist is a great example of that.
The funniest part is that that'sexactly how Hitler portrayed the Catholic German blue collar labor class that supported himas if they were the ones being persecuted by the Jews, thereby justifying the counter measures used to remove the Jewish "menace" from German society.
It is literally, 100%, undeniably, exactly the type of doublethink nonsense that Orwell was writing about in 1984.
Demanding you stop persecuting others based on their fundamental characteristics, and refusing to pander to your demands to do so, is not, and never will be, discrimination against your religious beliefs.
Its like stepping into an alternative reality trying to talk to these people about these issues. Christians love to pretend that its 250 CE, and they're all being thrown into the Gladiatorial pits with the lions and shit by Nero, when nothing remotely close, not even within the same fucking universe, is actually occurring.
I pretty sure if you bring up anything related to Nazi's and Godwin'ing a thread you automatically lose.
Royal
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Mike Pence took to the Sunday morning shows to fight back against the "campaign of misinformation" concerning the new law. He didn't do a very good job of it. He kept claiming the law wasn't about discrimination, but when asked point blank, yes or no, would it allow businesses to refuse service to gays, he wouldn't answer either yes or no. It's as if the advertised intent of the law is all that matters and the practical effects of it are of no consideration. He also had the intellectual dishonesty to claim the law had nothing to do with dealings between private individuals as if nullifying other laws thatdodirectly concern private individuals constitutes nothing.
Not the first time ive seen politicians do that and wont be the last.
A simple fucking yes or no question and repeat the same deflection response 5 times over.
A simple fucking yes or no question and repeat the same deflection response 5 times over.
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This is mandatory in politics. If you want to win enough Republican support to win an election, you need the support of the Tea Party, the libertarians, the NRA, and the religious right. Good luck managing that while giving a direct answer on anything. These groups are pretty notorious for refusing to vote for candidates that disagree with even minor sticking points on their philosophies.
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wouldn't you have to open a business, then refuse service to people who don't take their shoes/shirts off when they enter?
Royal
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Thelawisn't limited to business entities or organizations:
Of course, that doesn't mean that a business owner couldn't then claim that people not wearing shoes and/or shirt in public offends their religious beliefs and kick him out anyway without fear of recourse.
As I understand it, that's one of the things that makes it different than the federal RFRA, which most if not all of the existing state RFRA's are patterned after. This law goes further.
Of course, that doesn't mean that a business owner couldn't then claim that people not wearing shoes and/or shirt in public offends their religious beliefs and kick him out anyway without fear of recourse.
Royal
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You should wait to see if Texas ends up passing their version of the law (actually it's a revision of their existing RFRA) that's currently working it's way through their legislature. It expands the federal RFRA even further than Indiana's.
That's from the Indiana law. The Texas version removes "substantially" from "substantially burden".
Christians better watch themselves, for every law they enact to give themselves protection they also give it to fundamental extremists hell bent on seeing their destruction.
The government might have their hands tied if some of these laws give protection to terrorists to plan and organize in these states with immunity and possible lawsuits from taking action against leaders of radical sects.
After all while one religion preaches love thy neighbor another preaches peace through death and destruction for non believers. Sharia law might be protected under some of these laws.
The government might have their hands tied if some of these laws give protection to terrorists to plan and organize in these states with immunity and possible lawsuits from taking action against leaders of radical sects.
After all while one religion preaches love thy neighbor another preaches peace through death and destruction for non believers. Sharia law might be protected under some of these laws.
Gavinmad
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Uh, no, these laws will never be used to protect terrorists or sharia law. Religious freedoms do not give you the freedom to interfere with the rights of others, nor does it protect your ability to engage in illegal conspiracy.
These laws dwell in a legal and moral grey area which is why they are able to slip through in the first place.
These laws dwell in a legal and moral grey area which is why they are able to slip through in the first place.