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If sexuality was a choice, then the tests that are used to determine if a person is sexually attracted to children in child rape and molestation cases wouldn't work, because the person could just turn off their sexual attraction.

The fact is that a device which measures unconscious sexual arousal exists, and is used regularly in courts of law to determine if someone is predisposed towards attraction to children in child sex abuse cases. I don't know the name of it offhand, but it measures unconscious penis enlargement and they force these people to watch child porn and see if it turns them on. This evidence is allowed in a court of law, unlike a lie detector.

Furry's entire premise is simply wrong, from every possible standpoint.
 
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hodj_sl said:
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Do you believe mike brown was born a thug, or his life turned him into one. Just because a person becomes what they are does not mean they were genetically born that way. We are a summation of life's experiences.

Also, I believe my choice to be furry is just that, a choice. I can act and pass for normal if I want to.
 
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I think your question is silly and founded in your lack of understanding of how culture and genetics intersects.

People who live in poverty stricken communities in America often turn to lives of crime as a result of the poverty they exist in, and have existed in, for generations. In that way, their lives are not the result of a conscious choice, although particular actions they take may be a result of conscious choices.

Where you are born, in what circumstances, how you are raised, etc. are rails that, while not entirely set in stone, tend to define the limits of the choices you are allowed to make.

Sexuality is impacted by some degree of cultural contexts, but these cultural contexts are acting upon genetic predispositions in ways that preclude conscious choice in sexuality.

My suggestion is for you to take, seriously, some cultural anthropology classes so you can better understand how these components factor into outcomes for individuals.
 
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It all kinda goes back to Furry saying he is a big believer in personal choice. What we didn't know was, that this philosophy is so important to him, that he has decided EVERYTHING is about personal choice and if that contradicts science or facts, the facts themselves must be wrong. We have had nature vs nurture debates on this forum, but Furry tops them all! Nothing is nature, hell shit isn't even nurture, its a choice. This even explains his problem with quantum mechanics.
 
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hodj_sl said:
I think your question is silly and founded in your lack of understanding of how culture and genetics intersects.

People who live in poverty stricken communities in America often turn to lives of crime as a result of the poverty they exist in, and have existed in, for generations. In that way, their lives are not the result of a conscious choice, although particular actions they take may be a result of conscious choices.

Where you are born, in what circumstances, how you are raised, etc. are rails that, while not entirely set in stone, tend to define the limits of the choices you are allowed to make.

Sexuality is impacted by some degree of cultural contexts, but these cultural contexts are acting upon genetic predispositions in ways that preclude conscious choice in sexuality.

My suggestion is for you to take, seriously, some cultural anthropology classes so you can better understand how these components factor into outcomes for individuals.
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My sister is working on a PHD in psychology, specifically with an interest in child molestation.

You are corrent in most of what you say here, you just failed to make the connection I was asserting. Yes, many many of these things are cultural, contextual influences on the mind, some perhaps are genetic. The answer is we don't know which are which. The text you gave specifically, about be able to detect someone's predisposition to being aroused by child porn. Just because you can show an uncontrolled arousal by seeing it does not make the connection that this arousal is genetically based.
 
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Furry_sl said:
Just because you can show an uncontrolled arousal by seeing it does not make the connection that this arousal is genetically based.
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Sexual attraction is already strongly gene correlated.

Try again.
 
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Every time I think we've fully explored Furry's retardation he goes and opens another door of his psyche upon this forum and makes it worse.
 
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Gotta give him props.

When he dives down the retard rabbit hole, he clearly intends to reach the bottom.

I'm not sure thereisa bottom to be reached, but if it does, he's certainly going to be the guy to find it.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Sexual attraction is already strongly gene correlated.

Try again.
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In humans? Show me a gene that makes you gay and I'll disprove darwin.

There might be genes that predispose you to being more likely to be gay, but theres also probably genes that make it more likely that you're a hateful bigot, or genes that make you more likely to be a murderer. What you do in life is still a choice, regardless of these underlying factors.
 
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Do you guys understand now why talking to furries as if they can conduct rational discourse is a waste of time? Even the trannies have people capable of basic debate, even if Ms Behavin was the only one in a sea of Jerles and Goliaths. Every furry is a fucking nutcases completely divorced from reality, on Lumie levels.
 
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In humans? Show me a gene that makes you gay and I'll disprove darwin.

There might be genes that predispose you to being more likely to be gay, but theres also probably genes that make it more likely that you're a hateful bigot, or genes that make you more likely to be a murderer. What you do in life is still a choice, regardless of these underlying factors.
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I've already linked you a resource that explicitly demonstrated a link between gene clusters that appear in homosexual males more often than non homosexuals.

I'm not going to go around and around with you today on this, because I don't have the time. You are not a scientist. You do not have a background in biology and anthropology. I do. If you wish to disagree with the mainstream scientific consensus, then you go get yourself a phD in one of these areas, and you disprove them.

Nothing you have to say on this issue is relevant. I have a BS in physical anthropology, and am honing in on a BS/BA in Bio/Chemistry. I've had classes in human genetics, and genetics, and darwinian evolution and human culture in relation to sex and sexuality. You haven't. You can disagree all you want, but you're wrong.

Thank you and have a nice day.

And here's the peer reviewed literature in case you're so lazy you can't go back one page, click a link, and read for yourself

Cambridge Journals Online - Psychological Medicine - Abstract - Genome-wide scan demonstrates significant linkage for male sexual orientation


Genome-wide scan demonstrates significant linkage for male sexual orientation

Abstract
Background Findings from family and twin studies support a genetic contribution to the development of sexual orientation in men. However, previous studies have yielded conflicting evidence for linkage to chromosome Xq28.
Method We conducted a genome-wide linkage scan on 409 independent pairs of homosexual brothers (908 analyzed individuals in 384 families), by far the largest study of its kind to date.
Results We identified two regions of linkage: the pericentromeric region on chromosome 8 (maximum two-point LOD = 4.08, maximum multipoint LOD = 2.59), which overlaps with the second strongest region from a previous separate linkage scan of 155 brother pairs; and Xq28 (maximum two-point LOD = 2.99, maximum multipoint LOD = 2.76), which was also implicated in prior research.
Conclusions Results, especially in the context of past studies, support the existence of genes on pericentromeric chromosome 8 and chromosome Xq28 influencing development of male sexual orientation.
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I'm not kidding. Why the fuck are we allowing a furry on the forums? I always assumed his name was a joke, but Furries are a level of deviancy that is roughly equivalent to pedophiles. Ban him already.
 
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Sexual Identity is determined by many different things both genetic and social, plus a long list others potential factors as well. You can be gay because genes are you can be gay because you wanted to be based upon life experiences.

One person maybe Gay because of genes and another person may be Gay because that's just what they wanted to be. Trying to say everyone that is X gay is because of Y genetics is just trying to make world conform to your political views on sexual identity.
 
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