Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? *sigh*

Gavinmad_sl said:

I'm not kidding. Why the fuck are we allowing a furry on the forums? I always assumed his name was a joke, but Furries are a level of deviancy that is roughly equivalent to pedophiles. Ban him already.

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Well I don't think there's any danger... Hey where did that kid get a Teddy Ruxpin doll, that's weird... Oh my God, what is that furry doing to that poor child! Quickly some gay man with a gun shoot him!

hodj_sl said:

That's a nice opinion.

Let us know when you get any peer reviewed literature backing it up with substance beyond your basal assertion that your opinion is so because you say so.

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Dude you're a idiot if you disagree with what i just posted. Now go find one single fucking person that has posted a peer reviewed article that believes all homosexuality is based upon genetics.

I doubt you will find a single one that would disagree with what I posted.

hodj_sl said:

That's a nice strawman you've got there, when you can come up with a rebuttal that doesn't include misrepresenting your opponents position, let me know.

And I'll tell you the part that they'll all disagree with you on right now



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If you are not predisposed to homosexual attractions, you cannot just become gay because of "life experiences" or "personal choices".

When you come up with any peer reviewed literature that demonstrates you can just change your sexual orientation based on personal choice, let me know. It doesn't exist at this point, so you're going to be waiting awhile.

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You have just hit full A moonbat level of retardation enjoy the the few moments of time you have left on these boards because you will be gone soon.

Siddar_sl said:

You have just hit full A moonbat level of retardation enjoy the the few moments of time you have left on these boards because you will be gone soon.

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You realize you and Furry are the moonbats in this thread, right?

khalid_sl said:

You realize you and Furry are the moonbats in this thread, right?

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No Hodj is moonbats and you are Itzena.

Now a question do you agree with Hodj that all homosexuality is determined by genetics? Not that some people are homosexual because of genetics but that there are no other causes for Homosexuality other then genetics.

hodj_sl said:

Let us know when you have any peer reviewed evidence to support your claims. Its that simple. Either put up, or shut up.



I really don't think that's sunk in for either of them yet.

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Where is your evidence? Moonbat was at least very convincing in passing his views off as not trolling but being his genuine views. You on the other hand are just clearly trolling.

Yeah I don't understand all these conservatives who are convinced that homosexuality is a choice. The fact that they don't see the implication of what they are saying, that they have at least considered fucking dudes, it is hilarious. And you know, there is nothing about it that says "choice". Kids developing subconscious attractions to other kids, that isn't them making a political choice to be gay. That is just some brain chemistry shit that I don't understand. I've known some pretty ass dudes in my time and Kuriin is STILL the only one I would switch teams for. Really, I just don't get how you even come to the conclusion that choice is involved in it unless you are a closeted gay dude who has been shamed into hate-fucking his wife for 20 years.

hodj_sl said:

That's a nice opinion.

Let us know when you get any peer reviewed literature backing it up with substance beyond your basal assertion that your opinion is so because you say so.

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Even if he is right it still means there are people out there who are not homosexual by choice which means civil rights afford to other genetic dispositions (sex, race) should be extended to homosexuals as well.

hodj_sl said:

Already posted on the last two pages.

The better question is "Where'sYOURS"

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No your evidence supports a genetic link in some cases to homosexuality not a link in all cases.

What you posted supports my position not yours.

So there the link you posted is the evidence you requested I provide.

chaos_sl said:

Yeah I don't understand all these conservatives who are convinced that homosexuality is a choice. The fact that they don't see the implication of what they are saying, that they have at least considered fucking dudes, it is hilarious. And you know, there is nothing about it that says "choice". Kids developing subconscious attractions to other kids, that isn't them making a political choice to be gay. That is just some brain chemistry shit that I don't understand. I've known some pretty ass dudes in my time and Kuriin is STILL the only one I would switch teams for. Really, I just don't get how you even come to the conclusion that choice is involved in it unless you are a closeted gay dude who has been shamed into hate-fucking his wife for 20 years.

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Well, to some degree I understand where the concept is coming from. Predisposition towards certain things (violence, gay sex, chili cheese fries) does not mean you are required to act upon your desires. For anyone who's known someone, it's quite obvious that a person suppressing their homosexuality to try and maintain a 'typical' family life and have kids and all that goes sideways really quickly.

What it really comes down to, ultimately, is as a society, what actions do we consider acceptable? Murder has, generally, always been a 'no-no', so certain people have to get by with beating their spouse or getting into MMA. I don't see that changing. Homosexuality, on the other hand, was a device of self-righteous sex-starved clerics who saw Christianity (and other religions) as a means of gaining some power over what they considered to be hedonistic behavior that had existed since antiquity - first (and especially) with the Greeks and later with the Romans. It's the same sort of arbitrary distinction one creates with other covenants like 'not eating pork', or 'cutting pieces of your penis off'. It has to do with control more than right vs wrong. Any sex in excess of conception is considered wrong in some of these books - gay obviously included.

So knowing this context, it particularly enrages me when selective-practices religious types decide to engage in moral oneupmanship with others based upon their learned writings - of which they conveniently only follow a couple pieces. It's not based in true morality, but rather a warped concept of morality through their 'well then no one should have it!' ex-slave tribe attitude writings. The only confusion is that yes, some universally good morals (like, don't take someone else's shit, their wife, or murder them) coexist with all the arbitrary ones that idiots can quote - usually completely out of context.

Legal concerns aside, would I really be mad if an Amish cake-baker refused to serve a gay person? No. Some asshole using religion to justify their bigotry without having a shred of dedication to the same tenets they are using to discriminate against others? Yes.

hodj_sl said:

Agree.

And nice catch on his inconsistency.



No, my evidence supports a genetic correlation for predisposition for sexuality in males period.

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And where exactly does it say every homosexual they tested had these genes?

chaos_sl said:

Yeah I don't understand all these conservatives who are convinced that homosexuality is a choice. The fact that they don't see the implication of what they are saying, that they have at least considered fucking dudes, it is hilarious.

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Good catch Chaos. Siddar, did you once want the cock but later on changed your mind? Remember, if it was just Burt Reynolds, you get a pass.

opiate82_sl said:

Even if he is right it still means there are people out there who are not homosexual by choice which means civil rights afford to other genetic dispositions (sex, race) should be extended to homosexuals as well.

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I was stating my views on the specific topic in regards to that as a stand alone issue. My view was not based upon supporting my position on another issue.

Hodj however is clearly being a retard on the issue in order to support his position on a entirely different issue.

khalid_sl said:

Good catch Chaos. Siddar, did you once want the cock but later on changed your mind? Remember, if it was just Burt Reynolds, you get a pass.

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Answer my question Itzena.