Homsar
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I think there was complaints but since we dont know what was said to her, you cant bitch about it
John Wick (2014)
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DickTrickle
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Well it just wouldn't be as cool if there weren't eight people headshotting her. Besides, they're super awesome assassin types so there's no chance their shots would miss. The bullets all hit head on inside her head for a massive cranial explosion -- that really taught her a lesson. There could be no other way.
11 negs from John Wick. I have to have a record for negs to post count in a thread. I bet you turds loved Boondock Saints too.
11 negs from John Wick. I have to have a record for negs to post count in a thread. I bet you turds loved Boondock Saints too.
Abefroman
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Another guy farming negs by taking up a stupid position and repeating it then crying about negs. So fucking original.
DickTrickle
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A different opinion about an average to mediocre film = a stupid position. Good call, Abe. Now, yes, at this point I'm just egging it on, but I got all my negs before this point. And I was cordial at first, it's the John Wick lovers that started crying about it.
Btw, if I was farming negs why would I be crying about getting them? Practice some logical consistency.
Btw, if I was farming negs why would I be crying about getting them? Practice some logical consistency.
Abefroman
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Have a plus you mediocre faggot. Why would you cry about negs if you were farming negs? Are you fucking new here?
DickTrickle
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You seem kind of upset there yourself, Abe. Is someone crying about someone talking about negs "so fucking original"?
Lanx
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Your opinion about the movie isn't different, it's just basically the wrong opinion to have for ppl who have seen ALOT of movies and can appreciate every movie for what it is and what it is not.
Look everyone is always entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean it's the correct opinion, you're just wrong, worst yet, you're crying over the fact that you're deemed wrong, christ take your negs like man.
Right now, it's not a bad comparison, lets take 2 movies JW and jupiter ascending(JA), why? a Keanu movie w/ former Matrix stunt ppl vs. a wachowski film. 20m vs. 176m budget.
World building,
JA had to tell you through lines and seemingly hours of something hard to hear raspy lispy people that earth is a veggie farm with 3 factions at play.
JW showed you a few gold coins, a few omnious "dinner reservations" and an exclusive hotel, bamm you create your own "world of assassins"
Action,
JA you literally had a guy roller blading in space, honestly if the cheap tron skates didn't leave a trail, you wouldn't be able to tell where he was or is going, everything looks the same, big stuff happening, explosions, lots of sound, cheap tricks with big budget to fool you into thinking there's action, ala the michael bay/transformers approach
JW had wide action shots and a different angle once in a while, but you saw everything, and it gave you some ommph
Story
JA i don't even want to take this on, the whole thing was so bad
JW simple, they setup the story/event in 5mins, they setup the character(baba yhaga) in the next 10, and that's really all you have to know
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is JW the best movie of all time? no, is it the best action movie? in a while? yes it's just the right about of action vs. something like the raid where 2 ppl fight for like 10 whole minutes at a time and then another 10 whole minutes (too indulgent).
DickTrickle
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I'm proud of my negs, Ianx. I don't want a positive association of someone who loves JW so much they feel personally hurt and offended if the movie is criticized. Your problem is thinking that if anyone mentions negs at all it must be crying. All the personal attacks that came as a result of purely movie criticism is much more like crying and reflects an inability to have any rational discourse (though that course has long sailed). And yeah, I get that's what Rerolled does, but it amuses me to no end how passionate you people are about this film. I bet some of you would gladly punch me in the face IRL you care that much. You guys are basically Sean and John Wick is RPMs.
Thank you for reminding me of the objective definitions of what a true action film should be, though. I didn't have my reference manual handy.
One positive I will say about JW that you bring up is I did appreciate they didn't go super close up or action blur everything so you couldn't see what was going on. Still, nothing about the gun play felt fresh (which, admittedly, is hard to do at this point).
Thank you for reminding me of the objective definitions of what a true action film should be, though. I didn't have my reference manual handy.
One positive I will say about JW that you bring up is I did appreciate they didn't go super close up or action blur everything so you couldn't see what was going on. Still, nothing about the gun play felt fresh (which, admittedly, is hard to do at this point).
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DickTrickle
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I do think, for example, the Bourne movies overdid the shaky cam (that's what I was referring to by action blur). Some is okay to create a certain frenetic pace or atmosphere but their cuts were often far too short for my liking. I don't find that to be a positive but that's only one aspect of things.
Lanx
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It really seems like you're just taking the negs personally, and through that, you're just trying to hate on the film more.
Go through the beginning of the thread, some of us were pumped, some of us were skeptical, then we saw the trailer and oh shit, they made an action movie.
First point we see, and we know that this movie isn't shitting around with us, it's rated R, in this pathetic hollywood movie world, you do NOT make a rated R movie unless you hate yourself and don't want to be paid (because the statistic nerds will tell you, you will suck a big dick and not make any money, unless its pg-13, because), or you want to be like SAW gory, just to be gory, or a long drama like a scorsese flick.
I mean we're dealing with an industry where ppl get killed off screen, or they die from accidents instead of the main character, the robocop remake was pg-13 for christ sake.
And no, this doesn't mean we're heathens, and just take pleasure in seeing ppl die on screen, just that, we're not stupid, we KNOW ppl die on screen, don't try to pander to the PG ratings just so you can shove a few more ticket sales in.
So when JW, judo throws one guy, double taps then headshots the next guy, crack someones neck and goes back to headshot the first guy judo thrown, we're like YEA! that makes total movie sense fuck yea.
and yea again back to the action
look at all these cameras on rails, no stupid robo arm cams that give you that super close up then fast pan to a blurry arm and fast pan back to someones face, no, all we get is action, b/c that's what they want to give us, what we want.
The choreo'd fights, look at them, no cuts, no nothing, Keanu is literally throwing ppl onto tables, whens the last time action like that is really captured (raid/raid2/old school HK jackie films). They aren't trying to camera fake hide Keanu/stunt double.
No silly action filmy stuff was around, no god mode unlimited ammo, you see JW reloading and firing an empty'd gun, bullet count seems on point, no big exploding cars
Personally for me, the film ends when Keanu kills theon, why? thats when it gets convoluted, boring william dafoe stuff, and a car chase scene that doesn't need to happen. (and robo arms)
Go through the beginning of the thread, some of us were pumped, some of us were skeptical, then we saw the trailer and oh shit, they made an action movie.
First point we see, and we know that this movie isn't shitting around with us, it's rated R, in this pathetic hollywood movie world, you do NOT make a rated R movie unless you hate yourself and don't want to be paid (because the statistic nerds will tell you, you will suck a big dick and not make any money, unless its pg-13, because), or you want to be like SAW gory, just to be gory, or a long drama like a scorsese flick.
I mean we're dealing with an industry where ppl get killed off screen, or they die from accidents instead of the main character, the robocop remake was pg-13 for christ sake.
And no, this doesn't mean we're heathens, and just take pleasure in seeing ppl die on screen, just that, we're not stupid, we KNOW ppl die on screen, don't try to pander to the PG ratings just so you can shove a few more ticket sales in.
So when JW, judo throws one guy, double taps then headshots the next guy, crack someones neck and goes back to headshot the first guy judo thrown, we're like YEA! that makes total movie sense fuck yea.
and yea again back to the action
look at all these cameras on rails, no stupid robo arm cams that give you that super close up then fast pan to a blurry arm and fast pan back to someones face, no, all we get is action, b/c that's what they want to give us, what we want.
The choreo'd fights, look at them, no cuts, no nothing, Keanu is literally throwing ppl onto tables, whens the last time action like that is really captured (raid/raid2/old school HK jackie films). They aren't trying to camera fake hide Keanu/stunt double.
No silly action filmy stuff was around, no god mode unlimited ammo, you see JW reloading and firing an empty'd gun, bullet count seems on point, no big exploding cars
Personally for me, the film ends when Keanu kills theon, why? thats when it gets convoluted, boring william dafoe stuff, and a car chase scene that doesn't need to happen. (and robo arms)
DickTrickle
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All the negs make me question the movie more than if I had never posted here, but that's about the extent. I even rewatched part of it just to see if a second take would make me feel different but it was basically the same. I'd have to know you and value your opinion in film to actually be offended by being called a faggot for not liking the film.
Yeah, film would have been better if it ended when Theon died. The car chase was boring and the final fight was underwhelming and silly considering how the father was somehow one of Wick's toughest opponents, along with the silly bravado (going to a fist fight when Wick was just fine popping Theon in the head). I guess maybe one big disconnect is that the world feels like something straight out of a comic book or video game (like those fucking awful subtitles) and it makes sense why this forum might like that, but it feels like it's trying exude coolness or being interesting without actually being so.
Though it's kind of funny you point out no god mode unlimited ammo but discount the god mode of killing something like 60 something people (most who had guns). It's not like he had the drop on all (or even half) of them, either. If just one of the gun thugs would have decided to shoot from 10 feet away instead of getting within arm range Wick would have long been dead. Every time he was fighting someone and would turn around to face a guy approaching with a gun pointed at him that means the guy could have already fired. His survivability is about as believable as John Matrix's invasion scene in Commando. It never felt like Wick was in anything but god mode (except to setup the obligatory cliched capture and have the villain deliver a big speech to the bad guy before walking away just before the hero escapes scene -- that didn't feel fresh at all).
Again, yeah, we just have different perspectives on what makes a fully satisfying action film. Maybe some of these fight scenes in a different film would work for me (for example, I loved Collateral and it had a club scene where Vincent was going full badass) but I never was interested in the character of John Wick or the world he lived in so that made other details all the more glaring to me.
Yeah, film would have been better if it ended when Theon died. The car chase was boring and the final fight was underwhelming and silly considering how the father was somehow one of Wick's toughest opponents, along with the silly bravado (going to a fist fight when Wick was just fine popping Theon in the head). I guess maybe one big disconnect is that the world feels like something straight out of a comic book or video game (like those fucking awful subtitles) and it makes sense why this forum might like that, but it feels like it's trying exude coolness or being interesting without actually being so.
Though it's kind of funny you point out no god mode unlimited ammo but discount the god mode of killing something like 60 something people (most who had guns). It's not like he had the drop on all (or even half) of them, either. If just one of the gun thugs would have decided to shoot from 10 feet away instead of getting within arm range Wick would have long been dead. Every time he was fighting someone and would turn around to face a guy approaching with a gun pointed at him that means the guy could have already fired. His survivability is about as believable as John Matrix's invasion scene in Commando. It never felt like Wick was in anything but god mode (except to setup the obligatory cliched capture and have the villain deliver a big speech to the bad guy before walking away just before the hero escapes scene -- that didn't feel fresh at all).
Again, yeah, we just have different perspectives on what makes a fully satisfying action film. Maybe some of these fight scenes in a different film would work for me (for example, I loved Collateral and it had a club scene where Vincent was going full badass) but I never was interested in the character of John Wick or the world he lived in so that made other details all the more glaring to me.
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You can safely not listen to anyone who criticizes an action movie like this.
Lanx
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He just wants to win, i guess, he's the type of guy that when they unveil a new Ferrari he'd say "I knew that Ferrari would be red, but for me it wasn't red enough, FOUR Wheels, well duh!"
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I don't have a problem with him mowing down however many people that have their own guns, because I equate it to the same thing as what happened in Unforgiven. Clint Eastwood's character was prepared to kill, and knew what killing was like. The guys he was facing weren't, and he used it to his advantage. Sure they had guns, and sure they felt they were hardasses, but when the shooting actually starts, how many people (even tough guy bodyguards) are actually ready to take a life? Wick was, and in my mind that makes a ton of difference.
Xevy
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I think it's more like buying a Ferrari then complaining the cup-holders aren't big enough for big-gulps. It's true, a minivan would have cup-holders that fit all sized cups, but it would not be a Ferrari nor would it equivalently go zoom-zoom.
He did get negged back to the future though, which is kind of ridiculous, but such are the whims of Rerolled. It's like going into the Fast Food thread and saying McDoubles are awful or going into the Weight Loss thread and preaching an all-carb diet. Shit will GO DOWN.
He did get negged back to the future though, which is kind of ridiculous, but such are the whims of Rerolled. It's like going into the Fast Food thread and saying McDoubles are awful or going into the Weight Loss thread and preaching an all-carb diet. Shit will GO DOWN.
