Joker: Folie à Deux (2024)
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Guest, did you like the last podcast notification?? Well here's the second one, and for the third podcast! Yep. This Thursday 8-8-24 at 7pm Central
Go here to check out his podcast thread for info on topics and links!Go into the FoH discord and find the Happy Time Fun Hour channel and give it a listen!
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And the producer said he's completely fine spending that money on them for this flop.
That was the intent-- no matter the cost.
Bald Brah
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Okay then why did none of their other releases come close to Nevermind? People only bought In Utero because Nevermind was great. In Utero was hot garbage. Insecticide couldn't even be called garbage. That would be an insult to garbage. If they were still making good music the numbers would have went up, not down to shit.
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This is one of the worst posts I have ever read read on the internet.
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Phazael
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Thats because Xers have fond memories of the album due to it being the last thing they put out before Cobain decided he had enough of Courtney Love and played a losing round of Shotgun Kazoo. I will credit Heart Shaped Box as being probably their best song affecting that opinion, as well. But I actually agree with you and did strongly at the time. My parents would go on and on about a number of artists who's lives got cut short to tragedy (60s was absolutely murderous for plane crashes) many of whom had far bigger contributions to the art form (Jim Croce is a standout to me and still listened to by new generations every few years) while Nirvana's main draws were the time they entered the industry and how emo Curt was making all the vapid flannel skanks of that era moist in the jeans.
Pearl Jam, Radio Head, Weezer, and Alice in Chains are probably the only bands of that entire era who might be of lasting value and that very much comes down to personal taste (and how much you can ignore Vedder's politics when listening to him). Rest of that period is wall to wall junkies who offed themselves or low fashioned hair bands that tried to ride the Grunge wave. Does anyone even listen to Blind Melon, Soul Asylum, Sublime, No Doubt, Damn Yankees, Dave Matthews Band, Bush, ect ect outside of punching up one song at the bar jukebox to score some old gal stink finger anymore? And there are tons of bands who like Nirvana cranked out one really great album but could never repeat that level of success, like Blues Traveler, Cranberrys, STP, Janes Addiction, Black Crows, ect. Plus there were tons of middle of the road bands who followed the old model of 1-2 hits and a bunch of filler on their Albums who died off when CDs gave way to MP3s. But everyone at the time was nutz about that shit up until the point where it proofed out of existence.
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I was born in 1986 so why am I defending Madonna as being a big artist in the late 90s/early 00s?
Taylor Swift is purposefully farming massive tours, The Beatles gave up on touring after they got popular. Therefore Taylor Swift is more influential than The Beatles? No.
Clearly there are different types of artists, some have a huge cultural impact then burn out, some do generic shit for years after their few big hits.
Madonna and Taylor Swift are very similar in that they are big celebrities and popular for a long period of time.
Musically Gaga achieved more than Swift in her brief period of relevence. Madonna more so.
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Bald Brah
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I was just getting out of high school in 1990 so was definitely in the target demographic for Nirvana. I thought Nevermind was awesome. Liked every song. Bought in utero when it dropped and was like what's this crap? Way too emo. Nirvana was completely played out by then and probably why kobain killed himself. He knew that album sucked donkey dicks. No matter how hard MTV tried to ram heart shaped box down your throat. They were never going to be the next Zeppelin. Just the next Foo Fighters. Stupid bubblegum mumble rock.
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Spotify monthly listeners (plays) seems to be how Rick Beato tries to see how popular a band currently is, so looks like (almost) everyone you listed is still popular enough (which is nothing compared to pop shit).
Listing Sublime, No Doubt, and Bush along with one hit wonders like Blind Melon, Soul Asylum, and Damn Yankees is a bit funny. Also, out of those, only Bush could be considered grundge (maybe).
Alice in Chains is the only one I listen to regularly, and they get less plays than most of the bands you listed (outside of the 1 hit wonders). Well, Cranberries and Sublime simi-regularly too:
Something something wrong old man, go back your 1800s yodeling karaoke bar!
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The Beatles were a bunch of faggots who got most of their popularity from being lefty cocksuckers.
Is saying you're bigger than Jesus some sort of accomplishment in the midst of hippy atheist 'cool-kid' movements starting to take over and ruin this country (and all the west I suppose) supposed to be some shining badge of impossible to earn honor? In a rising sea of "lol gov't bad, drugs good, have sex with every random person you meet cause life should be a big party and screw the government and rules just do what you want when you want" they were just the largest shiny turd for people to cling on to.
Also, much like with the Madonna vs Gaga stuff, you can't fairly compare The Beatles "defining rock music" from decades ago when everything was massively more limited from getting started to becoming known to staying relevant with anything modern.
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what the fuck are you talking about? You're asking why something never happened, when it literally happened. In Utero is right up there with Nevermind.
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So losing half their fans, and many of the fans who did buy it ended up pissed off about it never happened?
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Fair enough. I guess I broadened things out to include 90s music in general. I think Alice in Chains still puts out albums that chart (I got at least one of them and it was actually solid enough that I listen to it periodically cover to cover). We also lack the perspective of if some of the current shit is going to hold up decades later that you can measure with older musical eras. If trends persist, the poppy shit probably won't, especially female recording artists. They tend to try to move into acting once their window closes, which even Madonna did for a while and kind of how we got on this shitty Gaga music derail. That trend has been going on forever (Debra Harry, Reba, Midler, ect) because they all age out of the pop machine relatively fast.
I am not going to sit here and say that the 90s were the shittiest era for music (I reserve that for the 80s and 2000s), but there are definitely less groups that started in that decade that lasted and remained in the culture sphere than in other decades. The ones who managed it are pretty prolific, admittedly. But we simply will never see another Beatles or Elvis because the genres have pretty much been mapped out and the days of actually making albums, let alone cover to cover good ones, are behind us. Notable exceptions recently for me would be Offspring and Queens of the Stone Age (maybe throw Muse in there).
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Rock and Roll is completely dead. Boomer rock is the only thing that still gets airplay. There hasn't been a #1 rock hit since Creed and Nickelback were number 1. Zoomers and millennials killed rock and roll. It's all manufactured bullshit artists these days.
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It's not 1993. Whether or not some kids were mad that it wasn't exactly the same as Nevermind upon release is irrelevant to how great the album is.