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I made no claims to the extent of their influence, just that they were not around long as a group and defined that time.
I do prefer Oasis though.
Joker: Folie à Deux (2024)
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I do prefer Oasis though.
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They are the only other two that even belong in the same conversation with the Beatles. Beatles were four guys and covered more genres, so there are arguments to be made there about who accomplished more. Plus Elvis triggers joggers, so he has that going for him. Frank was the end of an earlier era, but his influence is undeniable as well. I think the Beatles are still the most influential, but there are solid arguments for any of those three and I don't begrudge anyone who feels differently than I do.
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we'd have to recognize rap taking over the music industry and pop culture. for that however, I think its more many groups bouncing off each other, then 1 single group making rap mainstream, and creating multiple genres.
n.w.a? run dmc? beastie boys? tupac? idk, I'm not really a rap aficionado. it might actually be the rap producers that get the cred there. knight, simmons, etc.
n.w.a? run dmc? beastie boys? tupac? idk, I'm not really a rap aficionado. it might actually be the rap producers that get the cred there. knight, simmons, etc.
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not even going to bother responding to chris since he's retarded and he can't read.
think about it like you were doing rankings or whatever the kids call it nowadays. The S Tiers would be, as many have stated:
Frank Sinatra
Elvis
The Beatles
Michael Jackson
????
Taylor Swift
There really isn't any others. plenty of A tiers, plenty of super groups that had sustaining power or album sales or huge followings, but it takes more than that to really capture the culture and maintain relevance. Which is why Madonna isn't shit, she's the same as Cher or Prince or Queen, hell toss Beyonce in their, and eventually Lady Gaga, A tier for sure but she isn't S tier with the Beatles or Michael Jackson, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
You'll notice there's a gap. We (my generation) didn't have a superstar/supergroup of such cultural relevance that their impact is still felt to this day. If you google it 1995-2010 the most popular music is fucking "Green Day" and "My Chemical Romance", neither one of those are even up for consideration for A tier, maybe not even B tier, we just have a gap where we didn't have a musician or musical group that speaks for our generation, our zeitgeist has no soundtrack....
A lot of it has to do with the extreme shift that happened in the music industry during the digital transition period between 1995-2010, which I pointed out earlier. The industry was changing and resisting that change and bracing for change so much that no one really rose to the top during the digital transition. Half of the industry wanted to sue the fans (Metallica vs Napster) and the other half was so concerned with plummeting album sales they started boxing shit up "Now that's what I call Music Vol 76!" and Random House's CD catalogues, pick 10 CDs for 1 CENT! (but, in fine print, we'll start charging you a monthly subscription and ship you garbage CDs you don't want from artists we have shitty contracts with for $20 per CD)
To be honest, it probably would have been Nirvana, if Cobain had lived. They captured the grunge/alternative sound while still breaking through and becoming "pop" music and they could have shit out albums and maintained cultural relevance through the end of the 90s and early 00's easily. I think that's why he did it, assuming Courtney didn't have him offed. he didn't wanna be a pop star.
think about it like you were doing rankings or whatever the kids call it nowadays. The S Tiers would be, as many have stated:
Frank Sinatra
Elvis
The Beatles
Michael Jackson
????
Taylor Swift
There really isn't any others. plenty of A tiers, plenty of super groups that had sustaining power or album sales or huge followings, but it takes more than that to really capture the culture and maintain relevance. Which is why Madonna isn't shit, she's the same as Cher or Prince or Queen, hell toss Beyonce in their, and eventually Lady Gaga, A tier for sure but she isn't S tier with the Beatles or Michael Jackson, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
You'll notice there's a gap. We (my generation) didn't have a superstar/supergroup of such cultural relevance that their impact is still felt to this day. If you google it 1995-2010 the most popular music is fucking "Green Day" and "My Chemical Romance", neither one of those are even up for consideration for A tier, maybe not even B tier, we just have a gap where we didn't have a musician or musical group that speaks for our generation, our zeitgeist has no soundtrack....
A lot of it has to do with the extreme shift that happened in the music industry during the digital transition period between 1995-2010, which I pointed out earlier. The industry was changing and resisting that change and bracing for change so much that no one really rose to the top during the digital transition. Half of the industry wanted to sue the fans (Metallica vs Napster) and the other half was so concerned with plummeting album sales they started boxing shit up "Now that's what I call Music Vol 76!" and Random House's CD catalogues, pick 10 CDs for 1 CENT! (but, in fine print, we'll start charging you a monthly subscription and ship you garbage CDs you don't want from artists we have shitty contracts with for $20 per CD)
To be honest, it probably would have been Nirvana, if Cobain had lived. They captured the grunge/alternative sound while still breaking through and becoming "pop" music and they could have shit out albums and maintained cultural relevance through the end of the 90s and early 00's easily. I think that's why he did it, assuming Courtney didn't have him offed. he didn't wanna be a pop star.
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I keep clicking on this thread expecting to hear more about how much of a failure this movie is and how much money various pedophiles financiers are losing as a result, but instead it's a bunch of gay shit about Madonna.
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I mean really how much can you say about the worst flop in history that hasn't already been said?
"Joker 2: Fuck our fans and Fuck you" experienced an addition 69% drop in its 3rd weekend (From the 2nd weekend, which was an 81% drop), dropping down to 6th place with 2.1 million total, it lost 1200 screens and will be out of theatres and on streaming in a week or so?
It's domestic total won't even hit 60mil. Studios will lose about 200-250mil on the venture depending on who you believe, but nobody will get fired or even their feelings hurt from it. Nothing will change.
However if a mod wants to move this whole derail to the music forum that would totally track
"Joker 2: Fuck our fans and Fuck you" experienced an addition 69% drop in its 3rd weekend (From the 2nd weekend, which was an 81% drop), dropping down to 6th place with 2.1 million total, it lost 1200 screens and will be out of theatres and on streaming in a week or so?
It's domestic total won't even hit 60mil. Studios will lose about 200-250mil on the venture depending on who you believe, but nobody will get fired or even their feelings hurt from it. Nothing will change.
However if a mod wants to move this whole derail to the music forum that would totally track
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U2 and Rolling stones dwarf everyone you listed. Nirvana had ONE good album. Everything else they released was awful.
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Drinsic
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Shit take right here. Goddamnit, now I'm talking about music, too.
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LOL Taylor Swift in S Tier.... Seriously? She is not even on the level of Queen (my favorite group) and I don't even have them top five. Eagles probably belong in the top five, with decades long string of awesome albums, multiple big solo career spinoffs, and several genre's of music. And the Eagles share the distinction with the Beatles of their last couple albums being arguably their best. Shit, there are a whole slew of Brit bands with longer hit careers and more hits than catlady (Yes, Moody Blues, Radio Head, David Bowie, Pink Floyd) that I would not even consider top five all time bands. And if we are talking about concert attendance, that debate begins and ends with The Greatful Dead.
But this derail is stupid. But its also better than "Lets Rape Joker because Fuck You Maga" the movie, so......
I have not seen a creator misunderstand their audience and their own material since Verhoeven. And at least Verhoeven had the good sense to cash the checks and bitch about it after they cleared. These assholes burned 200mil plus of studio money to dick punch themselves just to spite the people who made the first movie a success. I got to admire their dedication, I guess. And to think everyone was worried about the musical shit being an issue.... but its actually the least of the movies issues. I have not been more pissed about being dragged to a movie since my wife insisted on rending the Rob Zombie Munsters movie. Wife before movie "Its not a bunch of political bullshit, tinfoil hat man!" then wife at the midway point of the Joker getting tailpile Folered "Ok, lets go home."
This movie is not only bad, its like decade defining levels of bad. Like Cats, Best Defense, Nothing But Trouble, Gigli, ect career ending levels of bad. It seemed like Phoenix was the only one even trying not to suck. I feel like there is some subversive real life producers thing going on in the background to justify how this made it to release. Its like Last of Us 2 where the sequel actively reverses you liking the original. Its deserving every bit of scorn its getting.
But this derail is stupid. But its also better than "Lets Rape Joker because Fuck You Maga" the movie, so......
I have not seen a creator misunderstand their audience and their own material since Verhoeven. And at least Verhoeven had the good sense to cash the checks and bitch about it after they cleared. These assholes burned 200mil plus of studio money to dick punch themselves just to spite the people who made the first movie a success. I got to admire their dedication, I guess. And to think everyone was worried about the musical shit being an issue.... but its actually the least of the movies issues. I have not been more pissed about being dragged to a movie since my wife insisted on rending the Rob Zombie Munsters movie. Wife before movie "Its not a bunch of political bullshit, tinfoil hat man!" then wife at the midway point of the Joker getting tailpile Folered "Ok, lets go home."
This movie is not only bad, its like decade defining levels of bad. Like Cats, Best Defense, Nothing But Trouble, Gigli, ect career ending levels of bad. It seemed like Phoenix was the only one even trying not to suck. I feel like there is some subversive real life producers thing going on in the background to justify how this made it to release. Its like Last of Us 2 where the sequel actively reverses you liking the original. Its deserving every bit of scorn its getting.
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Thinking that Taylor Swift is an S tier cultural influence greater than fucking Queen is deranged. Taylor Swift is generic pop astroturfed by algorithm because it's safe.
It's like saying that the MCU is better than Lord of the Rings because it's popular now, when one is churned out and the other is top quality and genre defining.
Nirvana were a genre defining influence and I love them, but a whole lot of people didn't know who they are and still don't. They are closer to Prince where they were highly influential within their genre but normies don't really know their impact.
It's like saying that the MCU is better than Lord of the Rings because it's popular now, when one is churned out and the other is top quality and genre defining.
Nirvana were a genre defining influence and I love them, but a whole lot of people didn't know who they are and still don't. They are closer to Prince where they were highly influential within their genre but normies don't really know their impact.
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I have only ever purchased four pieces of music: An Elvis Presley greatest hits compilation cd. A Weird Al cassette tape. The Crow Soundtrack CD. And the Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness multi disc set.
My music taste is unassailable.
My music taste is unassailable.
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he might be right on Swift not for her music directly, but her capturing the streaming audience, and being a huge part of creating that industry in the first place.
also, Gerald way is big into comics. wrote, Edge of spiderverse, which was heavily used for "into the spiderverse". Created, The umbrella academy, and produced the tv show later. Also, the Doom patrol reboot. and again the tv show.
amusing, I think my chemical romance was a lot bigger with girls, and younger gen then you think.
also, Gerald way is big into comics. wrote, Edge of spiderverse, which was heavily used for "into the spiderverse". Created, The umbrella academy, and produced the tv show later. Also, the Doom patrol reboot. and again the tv show.
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The other thing you're leaving off is that music is silo'd nowadays. There aren't really radio stations that kids listen to that will play a broader variety of music. If you want to hear something different, you really have to go out of your way to find it. Otherwise you're going to get an algorithm that suggests similar music to the shit you're already listening to.
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in this thread a bunch of boomers claiming madonna was some cultural icon for her album sales and half a decade of stardom when she existed during the era where album sales were a fucking given and 10x that of today.
Also in this thread the same boomers now claim that album sales have nothing to do with cultural relevance when Taylor Swift, (who, unlike Kanye West) is the actual voice of a generation of delusional cat ladies, has nearly surpassed everyone in 1/3 of the time, and she's still #1, still relevant and still releasing new music. I don't think you are grasping how insanely sucessful TS is. In the age when no one is buying music, everyone and their fucking mother is still somehow buying every fucking TS album even her damn re-recorded re-releases because some jew bought her old label and masters.
By the time she's got 40 years under her belt she will have outsold every single artist in history, not just female artists, all artists, like straight up lapped everyone combined. Beatles + Elvis + MJ + your stupid whore madonna combined will be a distance 2nd place to Taylor Swift.
It took madonna 35 years to do 1billion in concert tickets and TS has done twice that in a single tour.
You confuse cultural relevance for, idk, being a good musician or something. I hate TS and her music and her politics. But if you think she isn't S tier, the modern day beatles, then you are fucking delusional.
Also in this thread the same boomers now claim that album sales have nothing to do with cultural relevance when Taylor Swift, (who, unlike Kanye West) is the actual voice of a generation of delusional cat ladies, has nearly surpassed everyone in 1/3 of the time, and she's still #1, still relevant and still releasing new music. I don't think you are grasping how insanely sucessful TS is. In the age when no one is buying music, everyone and their fucking mother is still somehow buying every fucking TS album even her damn re-recorded re-releases because some jew bought her old label and masters.
By the time she's got 40 years under her belt she will have outsold every single artist in history, not just female artists, all artists, like straight up lapped everyone combined. Beatles + Elvis + MJ + your stupid whore madonna combined will be a distance 2nd place to Taylor Swift.
It took madonna 35 years to do 1billion in concert tickets and TS has done twice that in a single tour.
You confuse cultural relevance for, idk, being a good musician or something. I hate TS and her music and her politics. But if you think she isn't S tier, the modern day beatles, then you are fucking delusional.
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