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Justice for Zimmerman
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I'm a 30 year old white man and if i saw someone staring at me and talking on a phone as I walked home, I'd run like hell too. That's not suspicious, that's a normal human reaction because guess what, to the guy on foot the person in the vehicle is the suspicious one. Funny how perspective changes when you look at the situation form the other guys point of view. Even more so when I was a teenager, and this is someone who gew up in good old white suburbia.
What suspicion? What made Martin suspicious to Zimmerman that his first thought was to call the police, when no one else in the neighborhood did, until the fight/shooting?
Vaclav
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Erhm? On your own timeline earlier I swore it had "They talked" then separated then Trayvon looped back? This is the first time I've heard someone quote that they DIDN'T talk once briefly then Traytray looped back. (including what I thought was past statements of your own)
Not that it matters really (in fact makes Traytray swinging back for him worse IMO) but clarifying.
Gavinmad
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I'm a 30 year old white man and if I saw someone staring at me and talking on a phone as I walked home, I'd continue walking home at the exact same speed.
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And I don't live in a pleasant gated community, I live in a crime-infested ghetto shithole.
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And I don't live in a pleasant gated community, I live in a crime-infested ghetto shithole.
When I walk in and I see someone and they see me, I waive, because we're fucking human beings. Kinda hard to imagine such a closed community where no one knows each other.
Nowhere did i say that calling the police is an 'aggressive act'. It was a choice, simple as that.
hodj
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I'm a 33 year old white male and I've been in this situation several times, when I was 16 and 17, and I never ran. I've literally been in this position. I was walking down the street and I was confronted by someone who lived a few blocks away from me accusing me of vandalizing their house. I didn't run, I waited for the police and explained to them that I lived in the neighborhood, had no idea who this guy was or what his problem with me was, and that ended it. There was zero evidence that I had done anything wrong, because I hadn't. And if you did run, it would only make you look like you had done something wrong, hurting your case in the long run.
He was walking down the street in the rain and Zimmerman felt he was looking into houses, and he matched the description of the people committing B&Es in the neighborhood.
Again, this line of reasoning you're going down is basically this
Even though there's been several break ins in the area, and Martin matched the general description of those involved and even though he was walking alone with his face concealed in the rain, and had at least the appearance of being out of place and looking into homes, and even though Zimmerman was the head of the neighborhood watch and was driving on his way to the store and called the police first and never approached Martin directly, he was still in the wrong because he called the police and got out of the car.
I'm saying it takes a completely different moral outlook from what I have and what I think most people have, to think that Zimmerman was in any way in the wrong, I guess. Normally people like this would be hailed as the good guy, trying to prevent crime in their neighborhood, but when something goes wrong, suddenly all the blame is on them for doing...exactly what they should have done.
hodj
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No, never, I've never heard that claimed
Martin passed by Zimmerman's vehicle, but there was no verbal contact.
The image is now linked in the very first post in this thread, so I won't bother reposting it. Just go to the first page and read it again.
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Gavinmad
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Meh, we can keep going in circles for a while but I'm not interested in playing that game. I guess my comments fall more under hindsight, since the simplest solution would have been for him to call the police and stay in his vehicle. Since then, even if Martin came after him, he was safely within his vehicle and could have left if he felt threatened.
I do like your last 2 sentences since I look at this fiasco the same as any story I hear about a police raid hitting the wrong house or such: I would have cheered for Zimmerman if he had actually caught someone suspicious, instead he fucked it up and the wrong person got killed. And funny, we do blame the police for fucking up the raids, so why are people so willing to give Zimmerman a pass? Is it because the trolls are right and this only 'one more dead future thug'?
hodj
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Nah, I think police are held to a higher standard than regular citizens. They're trained, they have the power and authority of the government behind them, they are the ones who are supposed to be conducting due process and following proper procedures to ensure that their raids are being conducted according to the law, etc.
Its a different social role. I truly do wish Martin was alive today. I do. But situations sometimes spiral out of control by no one's explicit desire. The world is just too messy to not have some leeway for accidental conflicts of this nature to occur and sometimes end in the death of one individual or the other. When they do, we shouldn't turn the whole situation into a political campaign and effectively exploit the death or tragedy for political or other, profit oriented or what have you, reasons.
Its a different social role. I truly do wish Martin was alive today. I do. But situations sometimes spiral out of control by no one's explicit desire. The world is just too messy to not have some leeway for accidental conflicts of this nature to occur and sometimes end in the death of one individual or the other. When they do, we shouldn't turn the whole situation into a political campaign and effectively exploit the death or tragedy for political or other, profit oriented or what have you, reasons.
fanaskin
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Let father protect you, the state is father.
Also treyvon was a criminal his crime was assault he chose his actions, why is treyvons actions invisible to some people? The neighborhood watchman can walk around his fucking gated communities without fearing for his life u know, you don't have to let fear dominate your decision tree. You can trust responsible people not to shoot you if you don't punch them in the face and smash their head in the ground.
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When you got home, would return to confront the man you ran away from? Just wondering. Because that's what Trayvon did. And looking at it from HIS point of view, if I had gotten away from someone I was scared of, I wouldn't have gone back and confronted the person....Would you have?
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I feel like our government has lost its (collective) damn mind. What the fuck is going on? Isn't there some advisor or something that can tell them to stop being fucking retarded?
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