I have actually had a lot of success with it on ashe. The early AS / lifesteal on the item makes her sustain great and arrow + BotRK active makes dueling an adc / enemy champ pretty easy. Follow up with IE > PD > Def item and you're pretty set.
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New Blade is a must buy on every adc, no real way around it. Even the more poke-oriented champs like ez/cait have to buy it.
It'll be nerfed next patch though.
And holy shit, do yourself a favor and just dodge any match that has enemy Irelia top. Botrk on her is just about the stupidest fucking thing in existence right now.
It'll be nerfed next patch though.
And holy shit, do yourself a favor and just dodge any match that has enemy Irelia top. Botrk on her is just about the stupidest fucking thing in existence right now.
I'm really sad with the way BoTRK went, instead of an "AD Mage" item (like Brutalizer / Cleaver) it has become a pure (and stupidly overpowered) ADC Item.
At least Madreds was Magical Dmg, so it did not scale that well with ADC, but with LW and some Armor Pen... BoTRK just RAPES everything.
I understand the need to replace Madreds but they just made a "god item", the first iteration was almost perfect :
+40 attack damage
+10% life steal
Unique Passive: Your attacks deal 4% of the target's current health in magic damage and heals you for half the amount (120 max vs. minions).
Unique Active: Drains target champion, dealing 150 physical damage plus 50% of your attack damage and healing you by the same amount. Additionally, you steal 30% of their movement speed for 2 seconds (1 minute cooldown). (500 range)
They just had to remove the lifesteal and rework the passive to "Attacks dealing physical damage will deal 5% of the target's current health in magical damage and heal you for 75% of that amount ...."
It countered armor & hp stacking (in a way) made hybrid ARP/MPen runes interesting, and gave some sustain to AD casters...
At least Madreds was Magical Dmg, so it did not scale that well with ADC, but with LW and some Armor Pen... BoTRK just RAPES everything.
I understand the need to replace Madreds but they just made a "god item", the first iteration was almost perfect :
+40 attack damage
+10% life steal
Unique Passive: Your attacks deal 4% of the target's current health in magic damage and heals you for half the amount (120 max vs. minions).
Unique Active: Drains target champion, dealing 150 physical damage plus 50% of your attack damage and healing you by the same amount. Additionally, you steal 30% of their movement speed for 2 seconds (1 minute cooldown). (500 range)
They just had to remove the lifesteal and rework the passive to "Attacks dealing physical damage will deal 5% of the target's current health in magical damage and heal you for 75% of that amount ...."
It countered armor & hp stacking (in a way) made hybrid ARP/MPen runes interesting, and gave some sustain to AD casters...
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I don't really understand the complaints with BORK, just build armor... wow, maybe the game requires keeping tabs on enemy items now and counterplaying. Health Stacking? Ok, BORK it is... Armor stacking? Ok, BC it is... Armor Pen stacking? Ok, Health it is. BORK stacking? Ok, Armor it is.
Original BORK did "magical damage" the new BORK does "physical damage" it's doubly synergistic with ADC as it provides absolutely everything ADC need.
Attack speed ? check, Lifesteal ? Check, % Damage ? Check, Physical Damage ? Check
Unless you play graves (who needs AD for his spells) BORK is by far the best item out there, LW+BORK = core build for every ADC.
Attack speed ? check, Lifesteal ? Check, % Damage ? Check, Physical Damage ? Check
Unless you play graves (who needs AD for his spells) BORK is by far the best item out there, LW+BORK = core build for every ADC.
I don't think it should be nerfed. I said it will be nerfed, So not really complaining. In my Kha game I second built a randuins and laughed at the BoTRK on their adc and Vi jung. While the Vi and their top went mogs so my BotRK and the adc on my team tore them apart. It does have counterplays everywhere except botlane I feel. The first adc to BoTRK barring major skill differences can dominate the lane.
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ADCs needed some love anyway, I don't see the problem with it. I also disagree that it has to be rushed on ADC, I went BORK as 2nd item after BT on Quinn because BORK doesn't breakeven until players have 1200+ health anyway. Once players start stacking armor instead of health then it would make less sense to get it over LW or BC. Depends on the game, but it seems to fill a much needed area for ADCs.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they reverted it back to 4%, or some small tweak like that. There's a post of reign of gaming about how its almost always the most cost effective first adc item right now. Obviously, different matchups or whatever influence build but the majority of people do not change their builds contextually so I would be surprised if it isn't the #1 item in the game for a long time.
Yeah, Xypherous already confirmed he's going to be nerfing BotRK, and before even next patch. (Not sure if the nerf is live yet)http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...67019#35267019
I think one of the worst parts about it atm is that people are 2-3 manning baron at 20 mins and coming out with near to full hp from it. Pretty stupid in that regard. I'm not a huge fan of league of bruisers but everyone just building this instead is pretty dumb as well. So i'm glad they're cutting down the hp to minions part, it doesn't seem like a huge nerf right now. I guess time will tell.
I think one of the worst parts about it atm is that people are 2-3 manning baron at 20 mins and coming out with near to full hp from it. Pretty stupid in that regard. I'm not a huge fan of league of bruisers but everyone just building this instead is pretty dumb as well. So i'm glad they're cutting down the hp to minions part, it doesn't seem like a huge nerf right now. I guess time will tell.
Edit: Woops, I guess the nerf went live alreadyRonne_sl said:
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I think he meant the average damage from 100%->0%, in which case his math is close. e.g. hit a champ at 1000, botrk does 80, hit a champ at 800, does 70, at 600 only does 60, etc. which makes the AVERAGE damage of the botrk lower than BT in that exact example, but it's mostly pointless anyway because of outside damage, ability scaling, crits, etc. Honestly in a lot of cases BT does more raw damage over a fight but Botrk makes up for it with attack speed and the active by far.
Having some fun with Jayce mid. My first buys have been Teardrop and brut then getting boots/BC and finishing out the Manamune when its worth it. Then tanky after that. Any other build paths people have tried with him in mid? The Q burst I'm getting is almost nid levels of poke (obviously not as bad).
If you're going against ap, a chalice might be better than a tear for the extra mr. Mikhails Crucible isn't a bad upgrade.
Tear is more for what it becomes as well as the mana efficiency. Those late game active Q's hurt for pick offs.
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Tear > brut > bt > manamura > bc for Jayce. Either Top or Mid. You then get blue buff (or hell with a fully stacked tear you don't really need blue) and you just siege towers 24/7. You very rarely have to dive in so you don't need to be tanky at all, you just sit back and poke people with EQ and if they ever get close enough you hit W and pop them 3 times for 1/2 their hp. Only going melee if you think you can finish somebody off with a QE.
Usually after bc, bt & muramana I'd probably grab a warmogs just because, but honestly you're better off just going LW or more BTs to make your QE combo that much more dangerous.
Usually after bc, bt & muramana I'd probably grab a warmogs just because, but honestly you're better off just going LW or more BTs to make your QE combo that much more dangerous.
Thirster seems like more of a sustain item instead of the straight up bursty Q poke. Does it delay your damage too much since you aren't trying to actually auto with it?
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