Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Cad

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Did the pull out consistently for 6 years, once a day or so. Had 2 or 3 misfires, usually when we hadnt fucked in a few days and I couldnt reason through the urge to dump as deep in her as possible.

That being said, just had a 2hr long distance call with the wife of "I think we need to get a divorce".

So . . . my time to frequent this thread has come.

WTF do I need to do to win in divorce court? I didnt lie to her, but we ended it on her wanting make up sex and that she wasnt going to file for a divorce (which is odd, I have told her I wanted a divorce 3-4 times in the past 5 years). So . . . should I get her to do a bunch of drugs, then file for divorce and request a drug test? Get her to text me some twisted shit like she fucked some random dude and save it? Going to retain an attorney this coming week, but want some more "creative" and less ethically bound ways to create leverage and wrestle her for custody.

Tarrant is pretty much right, winning in divorce court if you want custody of your kids means being a good parent and trying to disrupt them as little as possible, don't poison their minds with hate about the wife, etc... basically try not to be a dick.

Property wise if you "fight" to "win" you're just going to give all your money to us lawyers, so take 50/50 and work it out with her and settle it amicably.
 

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I've skipped condoms plenty of times in my "youth" and always used pull out. I had so many close-calls, but no pregnancies, I just figured I was sterile. Then my current girlfriend and I decided to give it a shot and she took her IUD(Improvised Unpregnant Device?) out and in two months, she was pregnant. Not sterile, apparently...
 
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I've skipped condoms plenty of times in my "youth" and always used pull out. I had so many close-calls, but no pregnancies, I just figured I was sterile. Then my current girlfriend and I decided to give it a shot and she took her IUD(Improvised Unpregnant Device?) out and in two months, she was pregnant. Not sterile, apparently...
Same here. Pregnant within a month or two
 

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I dont care about the assets, there is enough time to get more and enough wrapped up in trusts etc. I'd give her the nice car, house, blah blah. My only concern is custody, I want to have split custody (she is a good mom I think, she loves our son, and I wouldnt want to keep her out of his life). That being said, she is a petty bitch, and would try to keep me out of his life / want sole custody / etc. And with our current situation (I relocated to Houston, she is in graduate school in Memphis) I can see losing custody and the ability to talk to / see him being a real possibility. And not one I care to endure.

As far as the why, and willy nilly. We have been on and off for approx 20 years, and still "love" each other but between the baggage and ways we have grown apart / different . . . its arduous. And inevitable to be honest.
 

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I dont care about the assets, there is enough time to get more and enough wrapped up in trusts etc. I'd give her the nice car, house, blah blah. My only concern is custody, I want to have split custody (she is a good mom I think, she loves our son, and I wouldnt want to keep her out of his life). That being said, she is a petty bitch, and would try to keep me out of his life / want sole custody / etc. And with our current situation (I relocated to Houston, she is in graduate school in Memphis) I can see losing custody and the ability to talk to / see him being a real possibility. And not one I care to endure.

As far as the why, and willy nilly. We have been on and off for approx 20 years, and still "love" each other but between the baggage and ways we have grown apart / different . . . its arduous. And inevitable to be honest.

Here's the problem, you moved and they stayed behind, yes? If that's the case it's going to be damn hard for you to convince a court that you should have some custody when you were the one (regardless of if its job related or not) that voluntarily reduced your parenting time with your son.

Now a few factors will also play a part in this. Where are you guys originally from? Is it where she is now? Because the courts will care very much about keeping him in the environment that will introduce the least amount of change to him. It'll be a big enough adjustment for him with you two splitting, they'll want something in his life to remain stable.

How old is he? That will also play a large part in it.

Chances are, from preliminary info you've given me, it sounds like (unless you can prove she's an unfit mother which from what you've said doesn't seem to be the case) you're going to have to go for joint legal and split physical with majority of the time going to her. Being so far you'll need to fight hard to even get him once a month because, again, the distance and the adjusting involved for him. Chances are you'll rotate holidays and get him for a chunk in the summer.

As for her keeping him from you and not letting you talk, if that happens document it and take it to the courts as her breaking the parenting agreement you have and they'll come crashing down on her. They won't let that shit happen and if it does happen enough, they'll eventually step in and adjust the parenting plan accordingly or you can fight to change it and they'll re-review it.

You moving away really boned you in this situation, doesn't matter what the reasons for it were, it's going to work against you in a large way.
 
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Cad

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I dont care about the assets, there is enough time to get more and enough wrapped up in trusts etc.

You have a hard does of reality coming if you think you can do this. If you actually want to hide assets start converting things to cash and then "spending" the cash (give it to your family to hold).

I'd give her the nice car, house, blah blah. My only concern is custody, I want to have split custody (she is a good mom I think, she loves our son, and I wouldnt want to keep her out of his life). That being said, she is a petty bitch, and would try to keep me out of his life / want sole custody / etc. And with our current situation (I relocated to Houston, she is in graduate school in Memphis) I can see losing custody and the ability to talk to / see him being a real possibility. And not one I care to endure.

As far as the why, and willy nilly. We have been on and off for approx 20 years, and still "love" each other but between the baggage and ways we have grown apart / different . . . its arduous. And inevitable to be honest.

Hope you're prepared to move back to memphis then. You'll get holidays and summers if you are 800 miles away or whatever.
 
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I've skipped condoms plenty of times in my "youth" and always used pull out. I had so many close-calls, but no pregnancies, I just figured I was sterile. Then my current girlfriend and I decided to give it a shot and she took her IUD(Improvised Unpregnant Device?) out and in two months, she was pregnant. Not sterile, apparently...
Has keg been visiting lately?
 

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Not criticizing, truly asking:

Aren't divides extremely expensive? If you're not living together anyway what's the point? I could be wrong, I just always thought divorces were for couples who couldn't stand to be around each other. How's old is the kid?
 

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Aren't divides extremely expensive?

They don't have to be. Divorces are as expensive as the couple makes them. If you agree on things and hire an attorney to simply handle the paperwork and process, it can be done for <$1000. Even less if you are willing to handle it yourself, though I think it's worth some money to have a knowledgeable third party guide the process and make sure it is done right. The rules are fairly well laid out, so fighting makes little sense for the average couple and rich people get pre-nups. Kids complicate it but again, cooperation goes a long way on making it fast and inexpensive.

Expensive divorces happen because the couple are pissed off and want to fuck with each other every step of the way, use their attorney as a shrink, etc. Or because the situation is very asymmetric and the "have not" side is fighting to get as much as possible.
 
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Not criticizing, truly asking:

Aren't divides extremely expensive? If you're not living together anyway what's the point? I could be wrong, I just always thought divorces were for couples who couldn't stand to be around each other. How's old is the kid?

Oh did you think divorces were only for couples who couldn't stand each other anymore?

Glad to have you back for the "broad"er perspective on things.
 
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Great to see you could get any woman you want but you simply choose not to! Great on you brother!
Why do you need to look for a woman anyway. I stopped looking for another one after my first. Though she and I are still on and off....

Edit: what about woman who constantly touches you softly and breaks boundaries.
 
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Did the pull out consistently for 6 years, once a day or so. Had 2 or 3 misfires, usually when we hadnt fucked in a few days and I couldnt reason through the urge to dump as deep in her as possible.

That being said, just had a 2hr long distance call with the wife of "I think we need to get a divorce".

So . . . my time to frequent this thread has come.

WTF do I need to do to win in divorce court? I didnt lie to her, but we ended it on her wanting make up sex and that she wasnt going to file for a divorce (which is odd, I have told her I wanted a divorce 3-4 times in the past 5 years). So . . . should I get her to do a bunch of drugs, then file for divorce and request a drug test? Get her to text me some twisted shit like she fucked some random dude and save it? Going to retain an attorney this coming week, but want some more "creative" and less ethically bound ways to create leverage and wrestle her for custody.

I have a response, but a few questions first. If you could have what ever you want, what would you like custody to be like? If you work and go to school do you also have the time and resources to watch your kids? Is your ex employeed and how long? What's the story behind threatening to divorce her 3-4 times?
 

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None of those questions will have any baring on him getting custody, unless the mother was unfit and he were to move back to where his child is, nothing will change the outcome to what I previously stated.
 
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And with our current situation (I relocated to Houston, she is in graduate school in Memphis) I can see losing custody and the ability to talk to / see him being a real possibility.

The job market in houston isn't all that great right now. What's your plan if you lose your job tomorrow? You going to stay in Texas, or move back to where they are? Unless you plan to stay there no matter what, I think the split custody where you get him for half holidays and most of the summer is the best bet. Just make sure when you move back it gets changed to something more like every other weekend. I assume the agreement can be written up to change terms based on how far away you live.
 

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I dont care about the assets, there is enough time to get more and enough wrapped up in trusts etc. I'd give her the nice car, house, blah blah. My only concern is custody, I want to have split custody (she is a good mom I think, she loves our son, and I wouldnt want to keep her out of his life). That being said, she is a petty bitch, and would try to keep me out of his life / want sole custody / etc. And with our current situation (I relocated to Houston, she is in graduate school in Memphis) I can see losing custody and the ability to talk to / see him being a real possibility. And not one I care to endure.

As far as the why, and willy nilly. We have been on and off for approx 20 years, and still "love" each other but between the baggage and ways we have grown apart / different . . . its arduous. And inevitable to be honest.

Who does the kid live with right now? Wherever he has lived for the past six months will be the home state that you will need to know the custody laws. I'll tell you this, they don't usually work the way you'd think they would. A lot of states don't even have the idea of "split" or "joint" custody. They generally leave it up to the couple to design a parenting plan. If you and your wife can't do it on your own, then generally a judge will give you the default plan where the mother is the custodial parent and you get the every other weekend, one weeknight set up.

Child support is an entirely different issue and where people really get thrown for a loop. In most states, the amount of time you actually have your kids has nothing to do with how much child support you pay - it's all about who is the custodial parent. You can have them 80% of the time and still pay the same amount of child support as if you had them every other weekend if you are the non-custodial - which is why a lot of fathers wind up just settling for every other weekend, because it's almost impossible for them to become the custodial parent unless the wife is a serious shit bag (I mean heavy drugs or criminal activity, not just a bitch). If you do wind up having them the majority of the time over a years period, you can go to court and be made the custodial parent, but of course that means a year of paying child support on top of actually having and paying for your kids. I'm not even sure if you get paid back in that situation either.