Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Tarrant

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Faking it isn't some precursor to things falling to shit. I know women who's husbands can't get them off, not due to anything their husbands are doing but they are just VERY hard to get off. One woman I know literally has only been able to give herself an O a handful of times. ( i grew up with her, we talk about sex and whatever else, we're pretty open) So fast forward to now and her husband while knowing she is VERY tough to get off, feels bad....like REALLY bad if he can't do it.

Now she's very happy with him and loves him very much so sometime she'll "pop one off" for him and it gives him an incredible ego boost and he doesn't feel bad for thinking he can't sexually please his wife. Some guys don't get that for women, an O isn't absolutely needed for sex to be enjoyable. He's one of those guys who can't grasp that, and she's fine with it and helping him feel like a man.

I don't feel there's anything wrong with that personally. -shrug-
 

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On another note, I got a twilight wand this weekend to try electrostim. Fun times. Totally need to get something stronger now.
 

Tarrant

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On another note, I got a twilight wand this weekend to try electrostim. Fun times. Totally need to get something stronger now.
I just looked this up...I laughed because it reminded me of the pawn stars episode where they get one of those in from like the early 1900's that was supposed to be used as a cure for baldness and other ailments.
 

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I think it depends. How many times have you sat through an absolutely dumb tv show/movie with your partner or gone shopping with them when you didnt care to? On the otherhand if youre faking to cover up for a lack or performance, then thats a problem.
 

Tarrant

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I think it depends. How many times have you sat through an absolutely dumb tv show/movie with your partner or gone shopping with them when you didnt care to? On the otherhand if youre faking to cover up for a lack or performance, then thats a problem.
I agree that if the faking is done because the sex being experienced is horrible then yeah, you should defiantly bring it up in a considerate way.
 

Deathwing

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Faking it isn't some precursor to things falling to shit. I know women who's husbands can't get them off, not due to anything their husbands are doing but they are just VERY hard to get off. One woman I know literally has only been able to give herself an O a handful of times. ( i grew up with her, we talk about sex and whatever else, we're pretty open) So fast forward to now and her husband while knowing she is VERY tough to get off, feels bad....like REALLY bad if he can't do it.

Now she's very happy with him and loves him very much so sometime she'll "pop one off" for him and it gives him an incredible ego boost and he doesn't feel bad for thinking he can't sexually please his wife. Some guys don't get that for women, an O isn't absolutely needed for sex to be enjoyable. He's one of those guys who can't grasp that, and she's fine with it and helping him feel like a man.

I don't feel there's anything wrong with that personally. -shrug-
Uh, that's exactly what I was referring to in my previous post. Because this woman's husband can't accept that it's very hard for her to orgasm, she has to lie to him during sex. Instead of dealing with the underlying problems, she's just buried it with another problem. Probably won't be a problem itself, but a bad habit to form.

Sitting through a bad TV show is different. Unless, she doesn't know your distaste for Desperate Housewives. It's really hard to hide something like that, she'll likely know even if you don't tell her. And if you know your partner well, you should know when they are faking an orgasm. Or she should be doing porn.
 

lindz

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I think the problem is more that she feels she needs to hide her troubles orgasming rather than share with her husband so he can feel like a rock star in the bedroom. It just doesn't seem like a very satisfying sex life.
 

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i'm with lindz and deathwing on this... lying about anything during sex is a gateway drug... you start lying during sex and suddenly it's easy to lie about everything. sex between 2 people that intimately love each other is sacred. you don't lie about that. it's not about some women have a tough time getting off. before my wife and I met, she hadn't had an orgasm. she just thought she was one of those people who don't get them. she had reserved herself to that fact. we talked about it, we experimented and bam. problem solved. sure, there's times where she knows it's just not gonna happen and she tells me and i'm fine with it. orgasms for women are different for men. a woman may go through a sexual encounter and not have an orgasm AND BE SATISFIED. that's not to say it wouldn't be better if she had one... just, she doesn't NEED one.

but the point is NOT the orgasm... it's LYING during one of the most intimate and open times that people can have. that just doesn't feel right. i'm not gonna argue about it relating to one-night stands or whatever... but between 2 devoted people? just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 

iannis

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I've never been able to tell when a woman orgasms. I still can't. And yeah, ha ha, I've never made a woman cum. I know it. But honestly I really just can't fucking tell. They're god damn subtle. Nothing shoots out. And if it does -- it's PEE.

So if she has one quietly and then gives me a loud OH GOD YES a couple of minutes later to clue me in... I'm not gonna make an issue out of it.
 

Tarrant

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I think the problem is more that she feels she needs to hide her troubles orgasming rather than share with her husband so he can feel like a rock star in the bedroom. It just doesn't seem like a very satisfying sex life.
She loves her sex life, and she doesn't do it all the time, only when she feels like he is bothered by the fact that she doesn't have/almost is incapable of having an O. He's well aware of the situation with her and how difficult it is.
 

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Interesting conversation, I don't know if anyone has ever faked it with me. As far as I know all the women I've been with in more than a casual fashion have always just told me, and not like in an after the fact kind of way. They literally would say "It's ok, I want you to finish". And then I do, because I'm a goddamn man.
 

Deathwing

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No? You realize some women can't or it's insanely difficult for them...right? It's not a problem, it's just a thing.
Of course I realize that. Her husband needs to realize that too and not take it personally. And that's not easy. Males in our culture are providers and that extends to the bedroom. So I totally understand how the husband feels and I even understand the wife compensating for it with a little white lie. If it were me in that position, I'd rather my partner help me understand the situation. As I said, and j00t repeated, lieing there can lead to lies elsewhere.

I've never been able to tell when a woman orgasms. I still can't. And yeah, ha ha, I've never made a woman cum. I know it. But honestly I really just can't fucking tell. They're god damn subtle. Nothing shoots out. And if it does -- it's PEE.

So if she has one quietly and then gives me a loud OH GOD YES a couple of minutes later to clue me in... I'm not gonna make an issue out of it.
I'll admit I haven't been with a LOT of women, but generally, the human body does a lot of stupid, involuntary stuff during an orgasm. They may be able to fake the sounds, but that thriving and jerking, that's pretty hard to fake. It's called an O face for a reason.

She loves her sex life, and she doesn't do it all the time, only when she feels like he is bothered by the fact that she doesn't have/almost is incapable of having an O. He's well aware of the situation with her and how difficult it is.
Now I'm confused. Is the husband just dumb or complacent? He knows it's hard for her to orgasm but just magically it happens once in a while? He doesn't grill her for feedback? What did he do right and wrong that time? How can he repeat that?

He only cares about her orgasming some of the time? The wife should be annoyed about that one.
 

Tarrant

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From what I understand he's good in the sack and tries every time, after being together for some years (over 10) she can tell the signs of him feeling bad and will pop one off. Mind you, she's had them with him before...she can have them...it's just very rare and takes a lot of work and as far as she can tell, is almost totally random on if and when it'll happen.

Now, she's fine with it being that way, it's all she's ever known. A lot of times she can't even get herself off at times. Of course they've tried many things and even went to see someone over it, she hates making a big deal of it though because she doesn't need one she says to have an awesome time.

However, as you said, males in our culture have a hard time grasping that though. It's an ego thing. We can know something and still worry about it. Sometimes when she pops one off it's real, sometimes now....most of the time she doesn't do either. She does it on those rare occasions to help him because she honestly loves what they have and is fine not having one, but knows how our heads work so sometimes will say she had one. From what I understand she doesn't make a show of it, but if he asks she'll say yes and he feels good, she feels good and feels even better that he feels great and that's what works for them. Just because for some reason that bothers you doesn't mean it's not perfectly fine for them. Frankly I know that me personally, if I could almost ever get my wife off....even if that was normal for her, I'd feel like shit about it sometimes. To save him feeling shitty she will tell him she had one, or a small one as she puts it.

As for it leading to other things to lie about, that's silly. That's like saying if your wife asks you if she looks fat in something and she does but you say no, well you're going to then be a compulsive liar about other things too.

Her orgasm is literally out of her control, no amount of therapy or working at it will fix it, she's fine and comfortable with it but doesn't want it to hurt him at times. There's zero wrong with it if that's what works for them.
 

iannis

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Yeah. It makes no sense. I've had more than one woman say, "Really? You couldn't tell?" It makes no sense. I should be able to tell. It's one of those bizzare fucking blind spots that you notice you have in life, and there's just no explaining it.

I think i'm just so happy to get laid that I black out.
 

Deathwing

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The subconscious can be more pervasive than you're giving it credit for. That you use another example of where it's culturally acceptable to lie to your wife is indicative of that. I'm not going to tell my wife she is fat, verbatim, but I'm going to give her constructive feedback if she asks.

Actually, if she asks "Does this make me look fat?", and it does, I'm going to tell her exactly that. What kind of relationships do you people have? I expect my wife to be my harshest critic.
 

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The subconscious can be more pervasive than you're giving it credit for. That you use another example of where it's culturally acceptable to lie to your wife is indicative of that. I'm not going to tell my wife she is fat, verbatim, but I'm going to give her constructive feedback if she asks.

Actually, if she asks "Does this make me look fat?", and it does, I'm going to tell her exactly that. What kind of relationships do you people have? I expect my wife to be my harshest critic.
Yup my husband is too. I bought a few dresses for a trip we were going on this spring and tried them on for him. I ended up returning all of them because he told me exactly what he thought. That's something I love about us, neither of us worries about what the other thinks because it's always out there.

When I got him to open up about fantasies in bed and we stopped having things we didn't talk about there, our sex life became even better. I'm all about openness especially sexually where people can feel really vulnerable or be made to feel completely awesome.
 

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Small update, I have been dating the girl I mentioned a bit earlier for a year now. Best relationship I have ever been in. Super happy.