Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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friend of over 40 years, just hit me with a text that he has split from his wife and probably getting a divorce. they have been married over 25 years. had a long call with him a couple of months ago and everything seemed fine, but apparently he has been boozing pretty hard. this was like their 2nd year with the kids out of the house. i have no idea how to respond, crazy.
Unfortunately these major life changes are very difficult to traverse for a lot of people. Retirement, one spouse losing a ton of weight, kids leave, etc. I think a lot of this is just a lack of traditional large families and communities. The other half is probably modern culture and social media one-upsmanship that just drives people insane.
 
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Unfortunately these major life changes are very difficult to traverse for a lot of people. Retirement, one spouse losing a ton of weight, kids leave, etc. I think a lot of this is just a lack of traditional large families and communities. The other half is probably modern culture and social media one-upsmanship that just drives people insane.
That one short video of the family that has like 38 kids and grandkids thats floating around - Barely anyone that comments on it thinks its a good thing. I wouldnt have wanted it in my early 30's and before, but now I'd love to have a family that size. It's such bullshit that we're socially manipulated into not wanting kids up until the point we see with our own eyes what we're missing, or our bodies want it. You couldnt have convinced me a short 5 years ago to have just one kid and now I'd be extremely happy to have at minimum, one.

My last long term relationship, we were definitely in competition financially though. I felt some type of way when she would say something because it was me that brought her up out of, what I perceive as poverty. Now that we're separated, her growth has stagnated completely. I'm thankful every day that I didnt marry her because I know she would have took me for everything she could have. You know, that "side" of a woman you dont see until you've been with her for at least a few years.

I'll never agree with a judge that awards a spouse with a ton of financial gain. If its in both of your names, fine. But they'll often go after stuff that was the spouses way back before they were even married, and say that the reason for doing so is because the spouse has became "accustomed" to that lifestyle. Who gives a fuck what theyre "accustomed" to - you dont get to keep the perks of my hard work.
 
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Is his wife hot?
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Would be interesting to know if she was just preoccupied by the children, and then realized how boring her life had become after having them (and they've gone.) Or, if there was an ancient rift in the relationship, like he or her cheating, and burying it "for 'deez' kidz."
she has always worked. think she took about 4-5 years off then they had a live in nanny till the kids were like 8-10. he made at least double her salary, think combined they were in the $250-300k range while living in the sticks. he got replaced by dei and she bumped out by glut of more educated people and both incomes dropped a lot. she got a new job that she gave up to spend 2 years and like $30k to further her education which, when asked was told wouldn't increase she earning in anyway.
both their kids were big into soccer, swear they did it year around with different leagues, lot of time and money invested.
about 6-8 years ago, he was sleeping in guest room due to snoring. always had doubts about that, as same thing one of my other friend's dad said before they got divorced.
the last time we had a long talk did find out they were carrying a lot of debt.
Unfortunately these major life changes are very difficult to traverse for a lot of people. Retirement, one spouse losing a ton of weight, kids leave, etc. I think a lot of this is just a lack of traditional large families and communities. The other half is probably modern culture and social media one-upsmanship that just drives people insane.

what gets me, we have 2 common friends both of which he is closer to than me that went through this exact same thing and we talked about it a lot. guy 1, after their kid left the house spent all his time watching porn and getting falling down drunk. think only thing that saved their marriage was he travels for work and just gets boozed up in hotels now. 2nd guy, after their kids left home, his drinking got so bad he end up with a felony conviction and he had to go into lock down rehab. don't understand the state of their marriage, was sure it was going to end as he was still in love with his cheating ex-wife, but he nearly died in twice within a few years and they are still somewhat together. his job takes him to different locations for months at a time.
 

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All you can do is listen. You don't know everything that went down, only the curated half a story from your boy. I would suggest counselling to him but that's it. Couples can still be in love and go through a rough time. My folks got separated when I was about 13. They got back together a little over a year later.

to further her education

Oh fuck. It's over. I don't know what it is about college degrees, but when a married woman gets a degree, she suddenly wants a divorce. I swear it's happened more times than I can count in my circles. I let my wife take some college classes but I made it clear to her she's not allowed to get any kind of degree. I have no idea if the degrees cause the wanderlust, or if the wanderlust is causing the desire for a degree. But there's a definite correlation.
 

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My penis is intrigued. Get nudes.

All you can do is listen. You don't know everything that went down, only the curated half a story from your boy. I would suggest counselling to him but that's it. Couples can still be in love and go through a rough time. My folks got separated when I was about 13. They got back together a little over a year later.



Oh fuck. It's over. I don't know what it is about college degrees, but when a married woman gets a degree, she suddenly wants a divorce. I swear it's happened more times than I can count in my circles. I let my wife take some college classes but I made it clear to her she's not allowed to get any kind of degree. I have no idea if the degrees cause the wanderlust, or if the wanderlust is causing the desire for a degree. But there's a definite correlation.
It's the college exposure and affirmation. Once they realize they can get that high of attention and recognition from university they go nuts. It's same phenomenon as welfare being ersatz provider husband.
 

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It's the college exposure and affirmation. Once they realize they can get that high of attention and recognition from university they go nuts. It's same phenomenon as welfare being ersatz provider husband.
So what you're saying is, I need to also limit her to online classes?
 

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Oh fuck. It's over. I don't know what it is about college degrees, but when a married woman gets a degree, she suddenly wants a divorce. I swear it's happened more times than I can count in my circles. I let my wife take some college classes but I made it clear to her she's not allowed to get any kind of degree. I have no idea if the degrees cause the wanderlust, or if the wanderlust is causing the desire for a degree. But there's a definite correlation.
Primary catalyst is woman going into panic mode because their youth is fading. They go to college to relive that youth. For some that panic becomes chronic and they spin off into a whirlwind of crazy.

I know someone this happened to. Seemingly fine marriage. One kid, two luxury homes, a pile of new cars, top end vacations...the fucking works. He is hard worker, fit, no drinking no drugs. Spends a lot of time with kid; she's been raised very well.

Well, youth fading panic set in and that was that. Divorced, back at college. Out every night fucking every young guy she met. Even weirder is she told him to keep his money. He sold the two custom houses, sold her cars.

Fast forward to last year or so, her kid didn't want to see her any more. A life that most women would kill for thrown away so she could bang young guys. That is a really neat trick. And of course when her youth does fade, she'll have no money, no kid, no ex, no houses, no fucking anything at all.

If you are going to fuck up, might as well make it epic.
 

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Oh fuck. It's over. I don't know what it is about college degrees, but when a married woman gets a degree, she suddenly wants a divorce.
Women do not find men they deem below them socioeconomically to be attractive. In most women's minds getting a degree significantly ups their standing.
 

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Primary catalyst is woman going into panic mode because their youth is fading. They go to college to relive that youth. For some that panic becomes chronic and they spin off into a whirlwind of crazy.

I know someone this happened to. Seemingly fine marriage. One kid, two luxury homes, a pile of new cars, top end vacations...the fucking works. He is hard worker, fit, no drinking no drugs. Spends a lot of time with kid; she's been raised very well.

Well, youth fading panic set in and that was that. Divorced, back at college. Out every night fucking every young guy she met. Even weirder is she told him to keep his money. He sold the two custom houses, sold her cars.

Fast forward to last year or so, her kid didn't want to see her any more. A life that most women would kill for thrown away so she could bang young guys. That is a really neat trick. And of course when her youth does fade, she'll have no money, no kid, no ex, no houses, no fucking anything at all.

If you are going to fuck up, might as well make it epic.
My best friend's parents split up in their 60's after 40+ years of marriage with a similar story except it was his dad that went crazy. It was a conservative Mormon family. 5 kids, like 20 grandkids. He had been working class his whole life. Worked lots of jobs from construction crews to warehouses to cutting meat. She was a tech in a wafer fab. No college degree for either of them. He was also very active in the church and would spend Saturdays visiting lapsed Mormons and trying to convince them to come back to church. Family is really into camping, hunting, and fishing and they live in the northwest.

Then, seemingly overnight he went from that to an atheist vegan who was doing 100 mile bike rides and a hardcore liberal that never stopped talking about climate change. My buddy finally had to tell him that he couldn't talk to the grandkids if all he was going to do was lecture them about the environment.

This was like 5 years ago. I understand that he has mellowed out a bit to the point he can come to family gatherings without pissing everyone off and he's eating meat again, but still a long way from what he had been like all of his life.

Maybe some people just realize that their life hasn't turned out the way they planned and freak the fuck out.
 

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My best friend's parents split up in their 60's after 40+ years of marriage with a similar story except it was his dad that went crazy. It was a conservative Mormon family. 5 kids, like 20 grandkids. He had been working class his whole life. Worked lots of jobs from construction crews to warehouses to cutting meat. She was a tech in a wafer fab. No college degree for either of them. He was also very active in the church and would spend Saturdays visiting lapsed Mormons and trying to convince them to come back to church. Family is really into camping, hunting, and fishing and they live in the northwest.

Then, seemingly overnight he went from that to an atheist vegan who was doing 100 mile bike rides and a hardcore liberal that never stopped talking about climate change. My buddy finally had to tell him that he couldn't talk to the grandkids if all he was going to do was lecture them about the environment.

This was like 5 years ago. I understand that he has mellowed out a bit to the point he can come to family gatherings without pissing everyone off and he's eating meat again, but still a long way from what he had been like all of his life.

Maybe some people just realize that their life hasn't turned out the way they planned and freak the fuck out.
I think its' easy for most people to get caught up in life and the day to day grind. You hit a large milestone like your kids moving out or retiring and suddenly you're feeling adrift or like there's a hole that needs filled :emoji_drum:
 

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This dude was a Mormon and then he suddenly went crazy isn't a sentiment I thought I'd ever hear.

You can talk about having 27 wives all you want but if you even try to mention melting glaciers or some shit you're not allowed to be near my kids!!!

Wait a minute... did this thread just go full circle?!?!
 
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This dude was a Mormon and then he suddenly went crazy isn't a sentiment I thought I'd ever hear.

You can talk about having 27 wives all you want but if you even try to mention melting glaciers or some shit you're not allowed to be near my kids!!!

Wait a minute... did this thread just go full circle?!?!
I'm not commenting on the relative value of the before or after ideology. I'm just saying it's not normal for someone to do an overnight 180 on everything they have thought and believed all of their life and become a radical in the opposite direction. If he had gone the opposite way and went from being a liberal college professor to a conservative Mormon, that would be pretty crazy as well. My buddy didn't threaten to cut his dad off because he believed in climate change, he did it because that's the only thing he would talk about.
 
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My wife and I just celebrated our 11th wedding anniversary (16 years together)

Some reflections.. I probably ranted here a bit TOO much, and probably pretty unfairly. There were times I probably should've talked to her but didn't.

We are in a really good place now. The boys are 7 and 9. The youngest has autism and that's been our biggest challenge.

Wife started a new job at the elementary school today, so finally she feels she has a purpose again.

I wanted to post here to get the initial flaming over.
 
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My wife and I just celebrated our 11th wedding anniversary (16 years together)

Some reflections.. I probably ranted here a bit TOO much, and probably pretty unfairly. There were times I probably should've talked to her but didn't.

We are in a really good place now. The boys are 7 and 9. The youngest has autism and that's been our biggest challenge.

Wife started a new job at the elementary school today, so finally she feels she has a purpose again.

I wanted to post here to get the initial flaming over.
No flaming. Just a boot to the ass to get you back in that Saturday morning van.

Happy for you.
 

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My wife and I just celebrated our 11th wedding anniversary (16 years together)

Some reflections.. I probably ranted here a bit TOO much, and probably pretty unfairly. There were times I probably should've talked to her but didn't.

We are in a really good place now. The boys are 7 and 9. The youngest has autism and that's been our biggest challenge.

Wife started a new job at the elementary school today, so finally she feels she has a purpose again.

I wanted to post here to get the initial flaming over.
Cool dude! Is she an actual K12 teacher now?
 

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Cool dude! Is she an actual K12 teacher now?
Paraprofessional, essentially an aid for special needs kids. She's unsure if she would like teaching.

Not really a money thing for us and more just so she has something to do (but the money helps)
 
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My wife and I just celebrated our 11th wedding anniversary (16 years together)

Some reflections.. I probably ranted here a bit TOO much, and probably pretty unfairly. There were times I probably should've talked to her but didn't.

We are in a really good place now. The boys are 7 and 9. The youngest has autism and that's been our biggest challenge.

Wife started a new job at the elementary school today, so finally she feels she has a purpose again.

I wanted to post here to get the initial flaming over.
Given the age of your kids I am not surprised that you felt you were in a rough patch. Young kids require constant supervision and redirection. It is totally understandable that you and your wife had less patience for each other during that phase. It gets easier in some ways and harder in other ways. Teenagers bring a whole new set of items you two will have to over come and work together on.

Happy for you!