Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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From that day on, she started saying shit like she was scared of me, because I guess that was the point she figured out that all the movies and TV shows were lying to her and women can't really beat men in a fight. Bear in mind at no point did I hit her or hurt her beyond the point of physically restraining her. I just took the knife from her, and stopped her from hitting me.
I know that feel.

Exgf tried to choke me, in front of her house on the sidewalk no less. I yanked her hand down from my neck and drove off. Once she calmed down she had the nerve to say I hurt her arm when I asked if she can comprehend what she did earlier.
Not criticizing you Cutlery because a ton of people do the same thing, but you cannot ignore the red flags of crazy. The situation you're describing got to where it was because you ignored those red flags and rationalized it by saying "for the kids." She did not give a fuck about you, while you cared quite a lot and kept thinking you could make it work.
IMO this is most big problems/drama in relationships. People just ignore everything until the plane crashes into the building then ask how or what do they should do after. The only real solution is not to allow the plane to crash into the building.

Looking back there was quite a few red flags warning me that my ex would eventually be violent towards me. Punching walls, destroying things etc.
 
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Well if the cameras ended the issue, great. I would take the added step of not having a key under a rock and using a keypad lock on the door (with camera doorbell). But it sounds like it may have sorted itself out. Finding a rando bra under the dresser is pretty odd, though.
 

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It wasn't even like a sexy bra either. Fucking sports bra, which also helped my case. Because zero chick is coming over to hook up with a dude wearing some workout clothes, and then leaving it there.

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We still have it. It's hanging on the closet door. At this point, we joke about Cinderella coming back for it some day. She's a pretty good sport about the whole thing.

Like I said, the thing that gets me isn't even the bra. Fiance's initial reaction was one of shock, but once she sat down and thought about the fact that I was at work literally from the time she got up until the the time she got home from work, she realized that the most obvious conclusion to draw was completely incorrect, as I simply do not have time. Plus, the other thing I have going for me is that I already broke up with her once. She knows I'm not that type of guy, and if I wanted her gone, I'd just tell her to leave.

What gets me is the just outright boldness of the whole thing. Let's say for a minute that the scared shit is a game. Let's be charitable and say she doesn't fear for her life from me. She had to see there were no cars in the driveway (just driving by or something, probably couldn't have the kid with her), have this thing laying around in her car ready to go (had to just be a crime of opportunity), decide to gamble on opening the garage door (she knows the dog could hear that anywhere in the house, because it's how I come in the house), gamble that my truck wasn't in there, gamble that even with no cars that there STILL wasn't anyone inside, then gamble on running all the way up the stairs to the bedroom. Just think about the fucking balls that requires.

Now toss in if you just ruined a guy's life, and you probably DO actually think he might physically harm you, and it just borders on completely unfathomable. I don't know man. Crazy women do crazy shit, but that just seems a little far. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm not saying she's incapable of it, I'm just saying...whoa, that's an escalation that no one could have seen coming.

Anyway, Merry Christmas you degenerates. Thanks for letting me share this crazy shit!
 
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It wasn't even like a sexy bra either. Fucking sports bra, which also helped my case. Because zero chick is coming over to hook up with a dude wearing some workout clothes, and then leaving it there.

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We still have it. It's hanging on the closet door. At this point, we joke about Cinderella coming back for it some day. She's a pretty good sport about the whole thing.

Like I said, the thing that gets me isn't even the bra. Fiance's initial reaction was one of shock, but once she sat down and thought about the fact that I was at work literally from the time she got up until the the time she got home from work, she realized that the most obvious conclusion to draw was completely incorrect, as I simply do not have time. Plus, the other thing I have going for me is that I already broke up with her once. She knows I'm not that type of guy, and if I wanted her gone, I'd just tell her to leave.

What gets me is the just outright boldness of the whole thing. Let's say for a minute that the scared shit is a game. Let's be charitable and say she doesn't fear for her life from me. She had to see there were no cars in the driveway (just driving by or something, probably couldn't have the kid with her), have this thing laying around in her car ready to go (had to just be a crime of opportunity), decide to gamble on opening the garage door (she knows the dog could hear that anywhere in the house, because it's how I come in the house), gamble that my truck wasn't in there, gamble that even with no cars that there STILL wasn't anyone inside, then gamble on running all the way up the stairs to the bedroom. Just think about the fucking balls that requires.

Now toss in if you just ruined a guy's life, and you probably DO actually think he might physically harm you, and it just borders on completely unfathomable. I don't know man. Crazy women do crazy shit, but that just seems a little far. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm not saying she's incapable of it, I'm just saying...whoa, that's an escalation that no one could have seen coming.

Anyway, Merry Christmas you degenerates. Thanks for letting me share this crazy shit!
How are we supposed to know that's real without you putting it on and writing FOH on your tits?
 
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It's always a slippery slope in relationships. Sometimes something happens and you're like "Man, that's fucked up," but you stick around because it's not fucked up enough to leave. I mean, where's the line, really? It's different for everyone, and it's really hard to see the line when you're in it. It's pretty easy to armchair quarterback any situation, and with hindsight, you can look at things more clearly.

But, on the flip side, you know what I get to do? I get to say "I did literally everything I could to save this, and I have no regrets." I can sleep with a clear conscience every night, because I tried literally everything all the way up to the breaking point. I don't have to wonder "man, what if I just tried a little harder?" That's worth something. It's worth a lot to me.

Are my kids better off? Well, my oldest is for sure. Her living with me and being away from her mother has drastically improved her. I talk about her here and there around here, but suffice it to say, she is a fantastic kid, and I'm really proud of her. The youngest is 13 now and that's a hard time for girls anyway, so it's hard to tell if she'd be better off or worse off. I know she's really confused why one house is straight MAGA all the time and one house is still taking covid tests and quarantining for their quarterly bouts of that shit, but on the flip side, she does have 4 parents now who care about her and she can learn from. She's just at the age now where she's starting to ask questions - she doesn't really know what went down that night because she was too young, but it's starting to come up. We'll see what happens.
I really didn’t mean it to come off as criticizing you or bagging on your decisions, more using your situation as a case study on why you have to pay attention to the red flags. I’ve done this myself with friendships that I didn’t understand why they weren’t working out, it’s a very common thing.

The basic lesson is that if the other person isn’t giving you back what you’re giving them, there has to be a clock on that behavior and you need to start looking for the door. Everyone always says “oh just leave them” over the dumbest shit, and I’m not saying that. I’m saying you have to evaluate if the person is as committed to the relationship as you are, if there is reciprocity in the relationship. If not, you don’t have a relationship.

You sound like a really stand up guy trying to do the right thing and I don’t mean to criticize. I just want all the bros to understand that chasing after women who don’t give it back to you will not ever work and it is just a path to hurt. You got caught up in that just like all of us have at one time or another.
 
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Turns out my ex got a ring from the cuck she left me for. Guy is decent looking, makes a lot of money, has a big house, wants kids, proposes to 45 year old woman without uterus. It's like they're meant for each other.

Thing is that after I heard that from the kid, I felt this weird sense of relief. Like, I finally feel normal now. Like she's never gonna be my problem again. Like I'm not sad anymore. My life has been one non stop sad fest for the last 6 years. Lost an 18 year marriage, had to spend $10 or 20k to clear up the legal shit after the divorce, had to work 70 hours a week for 2 years to stay afloat and keep the house, had a buddy of 25 years die in his sleep, had another buddy put a bullet in his brain, lost a 13 year old dog, left a job I was at for 20 years. That's a rough fucking six years.

And I just realized last night that I don't think I'm carrying any of that baggage anymore, and I can just be normal. I don't even remember the last time I wasn't stressed the fuck out about everything. What a weird thing.

Bro, you're really fucked up but I'm glad you're happy now. One positive for you is that he'll eventually leave her for the woman he wants to have kids with. What is the visitation set up for you? When can you completely move on from this bitch? Also, you said you've been with the current fiancé twice and for a while this time? When's the wedding to get back to the thread's roots?
 
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Bro, you're really fucked up but I'm glad you're happy now. One positive for you is that he'll eventually leave her for the woman he wants to have kids with. What is the visitation set up for you? When can you completely move on from this bitch? Also, you said you've been with the current fiancé twice and for a while this time? When's the wedding to get back to the thread's roots?

My oldest lives with me, has since the day she turned 18 (she was 75% in the divorce decree). Youngest is 50/50 custody. Minnesota might be a commie state, but their divorce shit is actually pretty decent. Unless there is a substantial reason not to, parental rights default to 50/50.

We don't communicate very often now. I respond to about one in 3 or 4 texts she sends me. I haven't physically seen her in person since the dog died last year (was her dog, I let her come say goodbye...goes into what Cad was saying. Would she do the same for me? No. But, I need to be able to live with myself, so I do the right thing even when it's not reciprocated). I make almost as much as she does now, so I told her to stop paying child support so I don't have to see her name once a month for $30 or whatever the fuck it would be.

5 more years and the youngest will be 18 and we'll never need to talk again.

Getting married again next Sept. Got the lawyer today for the prenup, try to do this shit right this time.
 
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Well if the cameras ended the issue, great. I would take the added step of not having a key under a rock and using a keypad lock on the door (with camera doorbell). But it sounds like it may have sorted itself out. Finding a rando bra under the dresser is pretty odd, though.

Intended effect.

Now that she most likely knows they are here, she doesn't even come all the way up the driveway anymore when she picks up the kid, and always parks where she thinks she can't be seen.

Joke's on her. I covered all the angles. This camera is tucked so far under the eve you have to know it's there to see it.
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I don't really have anyone to talk to about this shit, and I don't really know how to process this, so I'm just gonna write this down here and maybe someone's got some insight into this.

I got married at 19. We were together for almost 19 years. Our relationship was very solidly built on sex. We had a lot, all the time. Even when we were arguing, even when we were not talking to each other, we had a lot of sex. I'm not saying this to brag or anything, I'm just framing what it was. My kink is that I'm a pleaser. I like doing the work, I like when women are having a good time, I like figuring out what makes them work, and I like doing it to excess. I guess that's probably why we stayed married for as long as we did....hard to hate someone who rocks the shit outta your world.

My marriage ended badly. Very badly. I got pissed when I shouldn't have, I did something that 99 people out of 100 wouldn't give a second thought to, and I ended up spending 4 days in jail for it. In that time, she straight up lied to a DV "advocate" or some shit, and she ended up getting a protection order against me, while I had defensive wounds on me. Enter the worst fucking year of my life. Can't go home, can't talk to the mother of my children, for a while couldn't talk to the children, slept on my sister's couch for 5 months, all while dealing with a massive legal thunderstorm hanging over my head. I filed for divorce because I had no other options. She was devastated. Yes, you read that right - she had an OFP against me, I wasn't allowed to go home, I could not talk to her, I couldn't see my kids, and yet, she didn't want to get divorced. That was about the time my daughter started realizing who the problem was.

I came out of the divorce pretty good. Kept my house, kept my pension, my oldest lived with me, split custody on the youngest. Basically the best I could hope for. Still had to pay off the 100k in credit card debt she ran up behind my back, and buy her out of the house, but small price to pay for the rest of it, I suppose. The criminal shit was settled with a stay of adjudication after I pled to the bullshit charge to keep my kids off the stand, and keep the ugliness out of public record. Probation for one year, do some bullshit classes, and everything goes away. I suppose the bullshit classes are where the story really starts. Anger management classes. I was the only guy in that room who had never laid a hand on his spouse. What a fucked up situation to be in. I was the guy taking the abuse, and here I was, learning to manage my anger.

I'll never forget the main driving theme of that class. You should never let someone have enough control over you to get angry at them. Everything just kept coming back to that point. If they make you angry, just leave. Don't ever care about someone that makes you angry. I even brought it up at one point and said "It honestly really just sounds like you're never supposed to give a shit about anyone, because if you don't give a shit, how are you gonna get angry?" The guy had no argument for it. It's like no one had ever thought of it before. In my world, I really only get pissed about shit I care about. Why would I get pissed about shit I don't care about? What a waste of time. And that was the lesson I took from it. If you don't wanna spend 4 days in jail, don't care about anyone, and then you can just walk away when shit goes sideways and you don't go to jail.

Speaking of which, even though the class of the charge I caught was in the domestic violence branch of laws, it didn't actually include any violence. However, if you're convicted of a 2nd offense of anything in this classification of laws in the next 10 years, it's an automatic throat fucking of biblical proportion as the justice system tries to teach you a fucking lesson for treating your partners like shit. And now with all that backdrop, we finally come to my current relationship.

We've been together for about 6 years I guess, off and on. Basically, she was hounding me, we worked together, I didn't think it was a good idea, she kept hounding me, I eventually relented, then I figured out it was way too soon after my divorce for me to care about anyone, so I broke it off with her as gently as I could, and she just stayed there - just around the proverbial corner. Always just waiting right there, trying to pretend like she was moving on with her life, but very obviously just waiting for me. She will tell you that she just knew we were meant to be together, and she was willing to wait around for me to get there. I dated a few other girls for a year or so. They were all fucking psychos, and when I got tired of that shit, I asked her if she wanted to try again. She was so good at pretending she was playing it cool and not the most excited she's ever been, I almost believed her. She's great. She's good with the kids, she's an awesome cook, she takes care of the house. She is the ultimate cheerleader for me - anything I get stressed out about, she tells me I can handle, and she's gonna help. She gives gives me super thoughtful gifts that have high emotional value. She's fucking awesome, she's everything I wish my first marriage was.

But, here I am - not caring about anything or anyone, so I don't go back to jail. I'm playing the part, but my heart's not in it because it can't be. Furthermore - she likes it rough. She loves to be thrown around and bit and choked and all that stuff. I used to be fine with that, I can do that, the ex liked that too. Except, well, here's the thing - my ex lied about some shit, and I went to jail. And if it happens again, to anyone, I don't get to come home after 4 days with no bail because I'm a model citizen who doesn't even have a parking ticket. So, I can't bring myself to do any of it. How the fuck am I gonna explain marks on this woman's neck or wrists? All I need is one session that gets a little rough, one argument afterwards, and next thing you know I'm back in the county lockup wondering why the fuck I decided to throw my life away because some chick likes to be manhandled.

So the last few years have been really weird for me. It's like I haven't been able to be me. I haven't been able to do the things I enjoy doing. I haven't been able to let my guard down and care about anyone. I basically had to logic my way into giving her a ring. I did it because my daughters need a role model. They need to see that it's not okay to just hang around with a guy forever with no commitment. The guys they pick shouldn't be shitbags that just do that. I can't tell my daughters that while I'm doing that to some other woman. That's not okay. I didn't propose to her because I couldn't live without her, I proposed to her because it was the right thing to do. Even when I'm doing the right thing, it's obvious to me that I'm completely broken.

Then, that thing happens last week -my previous post. My kid shows me the text her mom sent her about that cuck giving her a ring and everything changed. I had that weight lift off my shoulders, and I rocked the living shit outta the fiance that night. Literally, she was a quivering heap, saying it was one of the highlights of her life and exactly what she wanted/needed. And it's stayed that way - I'm not stressed out anymore, I don't feel like I can't trust anyone, I feel like I can just be myself, and what happens between 2 consenting adults is fine. What the fuck is that all about? What the fuck just happened? I literally don't know. Has some part of me seriously just been hanging on to the fact that I'm waiting for my ex to come back? It's not my conscious part, I can tell you that. I will never be in the same room with that woman again - too dangerous for me. So I know it's a bad idea, but why the fuck did everything change literally the second I found out she's gonna be with someone else forever? Do I have some subconscious part that was still hanging on to that, and not allowing me to be me with anyone else? And now it's finally like my conscious is telling me subconscious "See, told you, get the fuck over it" and it did? Or is it just PTSD from having a woman I spent literally half my life with stab me in the back and ruin my entire existence, and now I just snapped the fuck out of it?

The best way I can describe it is this - you know how dementia patients in the early stages sometimes say that they have days where they are fully aware they are losing their mind, and other days they're completely gone? It's like that for me this past week. I am looking back at the last 6 years and wondering who the fuck I was. It's like I'm myself again, I'm the person I'm supposed to be. It's like the system glitched out and I'm not an NPC that can only respond to canned dialogue anymore, I'm back as the main character in my own life and I have free will and I can go up and down and left and right and go where I want to go and do what I want to do.

I hope this post makes sense. It's 230am and I've been up since 8, but I felt like I needed to write this shit down before bed. Maybe I delete it later. Maybe someone's got some similar experiences. I don't really know. I do know that I definitely can't talk about my sex life to anyone in real life, so this is all I've got for an outlet for this shit and trying to figure it out.
Read both posts. I feel ya man. My divorce wasn't quite as contentious, but we did hate each other for years and cops were involved on one day.

There's certainly a sense of calm when the x finally gets into a serious relationship. There's a bit more of that weight off of your shoulders. The first 2 times we almost got a divorce, I didn't really want one and would have been miserable after. When we agreed to go through it the 3rd time, I was super fucking relieved.

Telling our kids was and will always be the worst day if my life. The hurt they felt is something I 100% blame the X for and yet feel as I failed to protect them from that pain.

It took me a few years before I was ready for a real relationship. I had a few flings, seems most of what's out there is crazy. Either there's real buried shit that's kept them from every settling down and having kids (I'm almost 50) or they're a combo of bipolar and chaos, who knows what they'll be like next month when the doc adjusts their pill stack again.

Like you, the biggest hurdle post divorce is getting to a place where I'm ready to be that close to someone again. It's hard not to see any chick as a source of new problems and I like not having problems in my life these days
 
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She had to see there were no cars in the driveway (just driving by or something, probably couldn't have the kid with her), have this thing laying around in her car ready to go (had to just be a crime of opportunity), decide to gamble on opening the garage door (she knows the dog could hear that anywhere in the house, because it's how I come in the house), gamble that my truck wasn't in there, gamble that even with no cars that there STILL wasn't anyone inside, then gamble on running all the way up the stairs to the bedroom.
Just a thought, but have you checked your cars for trackers? or possibly compromised phone? (or kids phone?)
 

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Just a thought, but have you checked your cars for trackers? or possibly compromised phone? (or kids phone?)

Little too sophisticated for her. Also, kind of a moot point at this juncture - you would have to cut a hole in the side of the house to get in without being detected now. All entrances and the stairs have a camera on them that send motion alerts to my phone instantly.

Closed circuit camera tech is pretty legit these days, and not very expensive. I ran all the cables thru the attic, one fucked up day of bullshit work, and I've got a lifetime of peace of mind. Only downside is I think I bought the tail end of the tech, my cameras have a power cable and a video cable, now all the new stuff just uses Cat6 and has power thru that. But that should be easy to fish thru when I need to replace it.
 

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I mean that's fine. The only thing I suggest is you back up to the cloud as well as locally incase someone smashes/steals the nvr
 

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The best solution is to have a mix of all that. Hidden cameras, visible, wireless, wired, local storage, cloud storage. But you probably don't need all of that just for a crazy ex.


But weirdly enough, no more crazy since the cameras went up.

I probably would have gone with all hidden cameras initially to catch her. (or the oldest with her girlfriend).



Also, do you guys know how awesome it is to have cameras around to solve your arguments?

"Hey, have you seen this thing?"
"Nah, I don't touch it"
"I left it right here"
"LETS GO TO THE TAPE!"

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And yes, I chose the one with the gay couple on purpose cuz yer a fag.
 

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But, here I am - not caring about anything or anyone, so I don't go back to jail. I'm playing the part, but my heart's not in it because it can't be. Furthermore - she likes it rough. She loves to be thrown around and bit and choked and all that stuff. I used to be fine with that, I can do that, the ex liked that too. Except, well, here's the thing - my ex lied about some shit, and I went to jail. And if it happens again, to anyone, I don't get to come home after 4 days with no bail because I'm a model citizen who doesn't even have a parking ticket. So, I can't bring myself to do any of it. How the fuck am I gonna explain marks on this woman's neck or wrists? All I need is one session that gets a little rough, one argument afterwards, and next thing you know I'm back in the county lockup wondering why the fuck I decided to throw my life away because some chick likes to be manhandled.

You're past this now, but this is a good case for some kind of consent form. Surely she knows of your legal troubles. If she wants that, get it in writing. I dated a girl once with rape fantasies. She did not communicate that to me clearly at the time, but I figured it out later and decided I'd need that shit in writing if a girl ever wanted me to force myself on her again.

For about 6 months, the situation was deteriorating with my marriage. She was becoming increasingly more irresponsible and unreasonable and I was trying to preserve a stable household for my kids. She would routine go out to run errands and be gone for 8-10 hours, and not answer calls/texts. Got to the point where I was texting her friends asking if they knew where she was. When she came home, she would say shit like "oh, sorry, I was petting cats at the humane society.' This is actually what came out of her mouth one time. For 8 hours? Who the fuck do you think believes this shit? I fucking don't. This happened on a regular basis.

Did make her let you sniff her pussy?

So yeah, now sounds like a great time to post those nudes you must have. Crazy bitches always send nudes.
 

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You're past this now, but this is a good case for some kind of consent form. Surely she knows of your legal troubles. If she wants that, get it in writing. I dated a girl once with rape fantasies. She did not communicate that to me clearly at the time, but I figured it out later and decided I'd need that shit in writing if a girl ever wanted me to force myself on her again.
Just FYI, I do not think this will help you. She will just say she told you no and revoked consent and you didn't listen, so its still rape.

With the current standard of proof I would not engage in any sort of rough sex (rough being causing bruising or marks on her of any kind) or "consensual non-consensual" scenarios. The woman can turn it around on you with absolutely no proof aside from her testimony.
 
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I'd need that shit in writing if a girl ever wanted me to force myself on her again.

Just FYI, I do not think this will help you. She will just say she told you no and revoked consent and you didn't listen, so its still rape.

Yeah, contracts can't absolve criminal behavior. The defining characteristic of rape is the lack of consent, which is by definition internal to the recipient and can be revoked without notification.

Much safer to never play-rape anyone and bail if they insist since the risk is entirely on you.
 

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The woman can turn it around on you with absolutely no proof aside from her testimony.
Well, he does have lots of cameras now... (Not that that fixes everything, but probably wouldn't hurt.)
 
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