Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Daelos

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That sucks although it seems to be the typical course of events for those who started out when they were young (teenagers/high school love) get married and then get divorced. It just always seems there is always going to be a least a 50% chance (probably more) that at least one party in the relationship is going to come into a 'grown up' moment and take measure as what their life is and if they are truly happy in the situation that they are in. This is to be expected, one's life at 18 is vastly different than at 30 and it is not uncommon (dare I say almost normal) for someone to realize this wasn't the plan they had for where they wanted to be at 30, for whatever the reason.

It's good for you that it ended when it did, even though you have kids. The worst kind of situation would be if she's just going through the motions with you, even if their isn't any other guy involved.
Yep, I think you are pretty much spot on. I'd much rather have a clean break, than a having the relationship die a prolonged, slow death. Similar to Onoes, I'm pretty friendly with my ex. We meet up for a coffee every now and then with the kids, and we can have amicable discussions. We haven't had any arguments for months now, and we seem to have worked out all the kinks of sharing custody (we have a 50/50 split).

The kids are taking it as well as can be expected, and as long as they get through this somewhat unscathed, I will be happy.
 

Xarpolis

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I believe Swag does have a kid. He said his wife was a stay at home mom by choice. It looks like he got married right out of high school, then had a kid shortly there after. (only because he said 3 year old voice).
 

Namon

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I must have missed something - swag your wife stays at home yet you don't have kids? She has no purpose in life. Of course she's depressed. Get her in school or working. It's like saying "oh my leg hurts" and there's a god damn arrow sticking out of it.
Yeah, cleaning up after two adult people is not a full time job at all. She is in the unique position that you are fully able to support both of you already, so she can go get a job (or even go to school) in something she truly loves. If she plans on doing the stay at home mom thing eventually, I'd say school may be a bit too expensive. However in this case even volunteer work would be ok as it is not economically necessary she bring home a paycheck. But honestly, I'd be willing to bet that this depression is seriously stemming from inactivity. And honestly I think it'd be easier to broach the subject in the sense of "Hey, you know, you don't need to be trapped in here all day, why not get into something that interests you?" Of course all of this is based off the assumption that you don't have kids yet.

Edit: was working on this post as the above posted. However my advice could still fly even with kids. She would just need a job that would mostly cover day care expenses, and going to preschool a couple times a week would not be a bad thing, and would give the missus some away time from the kids.
 

Soygen

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I cannot even fathom being married at 20 years old. I'm 38 and only now even considering my current girlfriend as marriage material. Your 20's are way too good to waste like that. It's the time you should be having fun(and fucking up) so that you can figure out what you really want in life. It's also a time to play way too much Everquest.
 

Noodleface

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I cannot even fathom being married at 20 years old. I'm 38 and only now even considering my current girlfriend as marriage material. Your 20's are way too good to waste like that. It's the time you should be having fun(and fucking up) so that you can figure out what you really want in life. It's also a time to play way too much Everquest.
Yeah I mean I got married when I was 30, pretty much prime time for that sort of thing. My 20's was filled with booze, school, MMOs and some serious hardcore raiding in WoW for quite awhile.

Now I have no desire to sit down and raid all night, so it works out. Plus I get tired easy and my bones creak.

70 year old man in a 30 year old man's soft, shitty body.
 

mkopec

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I got married at 28. I thought it was perfect time for me. She was 30. I was out of college, starting out my career, already owned my 1st house and life was fully underway.

I dont understand young people just out of high school getting married either. So much shit to experience and work on as a person alone at that point in your life. This is not the 40s and 50s, bros.
 

Daelos

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We didn't marry until about 8 years into the relationship. And I never felt having a girlfriend restricted me in any way. I did all that crazy stuff, except sleep around. Booze, sleep, MMOs, school, etc.
 

lindz

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I was married at 20 but the first few years were spent living in other countries, playing way too much Wow and staying up all night. I was bored of drinking, clubbing and screwing around by the time I was 19.

Kids came pretty quick once we moved back to the US and settled into 9-5.
 

Soygen

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I'm bored of clubbing, but I can't get bored of drinking and screwing around. Those are timeless classics.
 

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Re: swag and chaos

Can you understand what it's like to hear voices, or have uncontrollable urges to twitch every few seconds (tic disorder / tourettes), feel the need to lock and unlock the door 5 times every time (OCD), pull your hair out compulsively (trichotilomania), or feel like the world is crumbling around you and every terrible thing in the world is about to happen at once (panic attack)? Why don't you think those are bullshit?

Depression is no different from any of those. It seems different because it is closer to normal human experience than the others. There is also an entire field that studies it, people base their research careers on it, etc. These people aren't just saying "OK people say depression is real, let me base my whole life on it without question."

Also, the "just get out and do something/change your life" is exactly what the most empirically supported treatment does. It's called behavioral activation. The goal is to modify behaviors, with the idea that thoughts and feelings will follow. It's very effective at treating depression, but since depression makes you not want to do those things, it's a challenge still. The other challenge is for those more susceptible to depression. Ever had a really shitty day and you just wanted to withdraw from the world? It was probably a bunch of stuff going wrong in one day, right? Why can't you handle twice as much? Of course you can't. It's like saying why can't you do another rep in the gym once you're exhausted. Well other people have what seems like a hair trigger that makes them feel that way after just a little. Some people feel really down without explanation. These differences can be observed in the brain with imaging technology.

Your brain all boils down to a series of chemical interactions and electrical signals. There is no "will" function in the brain.
I'm not saying it isn't real. I believe it is, because for whatever problems we have I refuse to believe that my wife would make some disorder up just to make our already somewhat challenging lives more difficult. That would definitely surprise me and probably make my fucking head explode. I just don't understand it, I try to be honest with her about it in that way. The last time she really had an anxiety attack that I was aware of and wasn't something that happened in the middle of the night or whatever was the incident on Mother's Day that I talked about here. And I just don't understand that shit, how someone can be presented with a menu of food and have a panic attack/existentialist crisis/depressive spiral/whatever the hell happened over it. But I don't doubt that it is real.
 

Big Phoenix

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lol depression about what? Assuming she doesnt have any dark secrets or anything, just what the fuck does she have to be depressed about? Considering swag is in the military she has literally zero worry about her life or needing to take care of business and making sure foods on the table.
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Soygen

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Sometimes people are chemically imbalanced and the depression has literally zero to do with their actual circumstance or life. All the "hard work" or "getting off her ass" might not help. In fact the issue may make doing those things even more difficult. The term "depression" is unfortunately abused to just sound like people are sad. That's not what it is.
 

Big Phoenix

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Id put money that swag's wife is simply unhappy with sitting on her ass all day in a area of the country she thought she would never be living in vs having a chemical imbalance. That describes like 99.9% of military marriages.
 

lindz

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Yeah depression is more than just being sad about stressful circumstances. I've been dealing with depression since I was 15. My life has changed a lot in the past 14 years, so it is obviously not just 'life sucks right now, I'm depressed'. Most of the happiest moments of my life have been in these last 10 years since I've been married and had kids, doesn't make it just disappear because I'm happy.

The biggest problem with it is that is self reinforcing. I feel like crap so I don't want to do anything but because I'm not doing anything, I feel like crap. It can be really really hard to actually get out there, I can't really explain it. Mine is pretty cyclical. I have phases where I get really excited about a new project and I am good for a few months. Then I get bored of my project and beat up on myself for being a gigantic failure and not making anything work out and have a bad phase.
 

Big Phoenix

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wouldnt that be more like bipolar? long periods of highs followed by long periods of lows?
 

Namon

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Sometimes people are chemically imbalanced and the depression has literally zero to do with their actual circumstance or life. All the "hard work" or "getting off her ass" might not help. In fact the issue may make doing those things even more difficult. The term "depression" is unfortunately abused to just sound like people are sad. That's not what it is.
That's true. The only thing I can do is put myself in that situation, and I'd be jumping out of windows if I just staid home all day every day after a month of it.