Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Crone

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These exact debates are the reason I won't step foot into the weight loss thread, even though I recently have tried to make some healthy changes with eating and activity, and am seeing results, but sometimes have questions. Fuck dealing with the holier than thou attitude.

I'm 6'6" , and maxed at 356 lbs, and now at 321. I'm on my way. Fuck the haters.
 

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It is pretty funny how people talk about fat people on the internet like they are some sort of subhuman garbage.
 

Eidal

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It is pretty funny how people talk about fat people on the internet like they are some sort of subhuman garbage.
Most of it, for me at least, is just pent-up venting of all the things I wish I could say to our friends and family.

I have a friend who is condemning himself to loneliness because hes too fat. My family are all suffering obesity-related health issues because they're too fat. Some of my fat relatives are raising children that already have no fucking idea what a proper proportion is and will inevitably struggle with obesity through high-school. In-laws are so ecstatic to be grandparents and they'd be wonderful, but they're honestly not going to live that long. WTF, feels bad man. Etc, etc.

There is absolutely zero use in discussing this because, for some inane reason, its considered rude to imply someone needs to lose weight. If they suffered from ANY other drug addiction, I'd be amiss in NOT attempting to help them. It makes me sad to see so much potential wasted. Ranging from Quality of Life to the adults (look at the fucking Sleep Apnea thread, christ...), to life expectecy, to NOT subjecting their kids to a food addiction before they're even teenagers. Going through highschool is hard enough, why do it obese?

The cyclical nature of their interest in nutrition/fitness and the concomitant "oh, my priorities changed" after a month or two. When my obese friends/family hit me up about how they're "gonna do it, 4realzyo! and could really use your help!" its like I'm following a script in which I say supportive shit, tell them things they already know, and heaven forbid I suggest they try anything any differently because they know their body and are in complete denial about how they have a success rate of zero. Its tough to not flip the fuck out and instead just cut/paste random generic supportive sentences in the interest of diplomacy.

This shit drives me insane and every time a new affliction pops up: ("Oh, she has to take it easy this week because her knees are flaring up.") its hard to not feel a little resentment. It's not that I think fat people are subhuman garbage, it's just they represent an inscrutably poor series of decisions to me that carry real and serious consequences for everyone around them AND I'm not "allowed" to really approach the issue given social mores.

The best analogy I can think of is a handful of loved ones that are really genuinely hurting themselves with an addiction AND passing it onto their young children while only paying lip-service to the dangers, while simultaneously, if you try any sort of intervention you're the insensitive bastard.

Did you know, this generation of children have a lower life expectancy than the last? Look at the delta on the obesity charts; its not slowing down, either.
 

Cad

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Most of it, for me at least, is just pent-up venting of all the things I wish I could say to our friends and family.

I have a friend who is condemning himself to loneliness because hes too fat. My family are all suffering obesity-related health issues because they're too fat. Some of my fat relatives are raising children that already have no fucking idea what a proper proportion is and will inevitably struggle with obesity through high-school. In-laws are so ecstatic to be grandparents and they'd be wonderful, but they're honestly not going to live that long. WTF, feels bad man. Etc, etc.

There is absolutely zero use in discussing this because, for some inane reason, its considered rude to imply someone needs to lose weight. If they suffered from ANY other drug addiction, I'd be amiss in NOT attempting to help them. It makes me sad to see so much potential wasted. Ranging from Quality of Life to the adults (look at the fucking Sleep Apnea thread, christ...), to life expectecy, to NOT subjecting their kids to a food addiction before they're even teenagers. Going through highschool is hard enough, why do it obese?

This shit drives me insane and everytime a new affliction pops up: ("Oh, she has to take it easy this week because her knees are flaring up.") its hard to not feel a little resentment. It's not that I think fat people are subhuman garbage, it's just they represent an inscrutably poor series of decisions to me that carry real and serious consequences for everyone around them AND I'm not "allowed" to really approach the issue given social mores.
And it's a relatively easy problem to solve too. Fucking eat less. How hard is that.
 

iannis

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Harder than you think, honestly.

I've never gotten super fat, but I did add mass for a while and am on my way back down. Eating less is maybe not so hard, actually it's not hard at all, but I've gotten to the point in slimming down that by weight and age I'm gonna have to go out and exercise to get rid of the 15 lbs that I don't want anymore.

AND THAT SUCKS. I DON'T WANNA.

foreveralone
 

Mures

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There is absolutely zero use in discussing this because, for some inane reason, its considered rude to imply someone needs to lose weight. If they suffered from ANY other drug addiction, I'd be amiss in NOT attempting to help them. It makes me sad to see so much potential wasted. Ranging from Quality of Life to the adults (look at the fucking Sleep Apnea thread, christ...), to life expectecy, to NOT subjecting their kids to a food addiction before they're even teenagers. Going through highschool is hard enough, why do it obese?
The problem is most ppl know they are fat and need to lose weight; I guess its akin to a smoker, they know its not good and should quit, but for reasons don't.
 

Cad

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I used to confuse easy with simple. While the solution is not complex, I do not think its fair to call it "easy".
I think it just requires quite a bit of self control in this world of sedentary activities and ridiculously sugary high calorie food. The fat people who get all offended when you call them fat are the self-haters who lack the self control to stop shoveling food into themselves. It is fair to judge these people. The fat people who are like, fuck it I'm fat, don't care, I like food, give me another 12 donuts - these people are just enjoying their gluttony and making a choice. A subtle but important difference I think.
 

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These exact debates are the reason I won't step foot into the weight loss thread, even though I recently have tried to make some healthy changes with eating and activity, and am seeing results, but sometimes have questions. Fuck dealing with the holier than thou attitude.

I'm 6'6" , and maxed at 356 lbs, and now at 321. I'm on my way. Fuck the haters.
That's the best reason to read the weight loss thread, I always get a good laugh out of it.
 

iannis

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Worse than smoking really. It's a complete lifestyle change. You're only fat for a few reasons, honestly. Either you're eating cheap processed crap, or you're eating too much, or you're using food as a sort of drug, or you have a legit health condition. The interaction with food is so basic that it goes beyond "put down the fork, fatty". Which true is what it ultimately does come down to, but it starts WAY beyond that. You have to change the way you fuckingthinkbefore you can change the way that you eat.

And that's daunting. It requires real clarity. Like teenage clarity. The sort of clarity you usually only get when someone you gave a fuck about dies.

As hard as smoking is to kick, it's nowhere near that daunting.
 

Tenks

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These exact debates are the reason I won't step foot into the weight loss thread, even though I recently have tried to make some healthy changes with eating and activity, and am seeing results, but sometimes have questions. Fuck dealing with the holier than thou attitude.

I'm 6'6" , and maxed at 356 lbs, and now at 321. I'm on my way. Fuck the haters.
People on the internet in regards to fitness go about it the wrong way IMO. They try and fit everyone into a compartmentalized fitness routine of min/max based upon their desires. I've always had a much different approach. I try and figure out what people like to do and recommend based upon that. I, personally, detest cardio and running in general. So I have a strength routine that focuses on lifting weights but generally low amounts quickly so my heart is pumping like I'm doing cardio but I'm not tethered to a treadmill. Is it the best workout in the world? Nope. But is it a workout that I'll do 3 times a week because I enjoy it? Yes. The hardest hurdle at the gym (or just fitness in general) is finding something you like and doing it. And that varies person by person. It is better to lose 30 pounds doing an ineffecient workout than losing zero pounds doing an effecient workout that you won't stick with. I've seen people at my work get wonderful results from P90X but I could only stick with it for about three weeks because I really don't like fitness videos. I've tried to get people to do my routine with me before and they cop out after a few weeks because they don't like my routine. Thats fine. Just do something, ANYTHING and make small steps towards your ultimate goal. Don't turn your life upside down. Make it a lifestyle change and eventually health and exercise becomes second nature.
 

Tenks

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These exact debates are the reason I won't step foot into the weight loss thread, even though I recently have tried to make some healthy changes with eating and activity, and am seeing results, but sometimes have questions. Fuck dealing with the holier than thou attitude.

I'm 6'6" , and maxed at 356 lbs, and now at 321. I'm on my way. Fuck the haters.
People on the internet in regards to fitness go about it the wrong way IMO. They try and fit everyone into a compartmentalized fitness routine of min/max based upon their desires. I've always had a much different approach. I try and figure out what people like to do and recommend based upon that. I, personally, detest cardio and running in general. So I have a strength routine that focuses on lifting weights but generally low amounts quickly so my heart is pumping like I'm doing cardio but I'm not tethered to a treadmill. Is it the best workout in the world? Nope. But is it a workout that I'll do 3 times a week because I enjoy it? Yes. The hardest hurdle at the gym (or just fitness in general) is finding something you like and doing it. And that varies person by person. It is better to lose 30 pounds doing an ineffecient workout than losing zero pounds doing an effecient workout that you won't stick with. I've seen people at my work get wonderful results from P90X but I could only stick with it for about three weeks because I really don't like fitness videos. I've tried to get people to do my routine with me before and they cop out after a few weeks because they don't like my routine. Thats fine. Just do something, ANYTHING and make small steps towards your ultimate goal. Don't turn your life upside down. Make it a lifestyle change and eventually health and exercise becomes second nature.
 

Crone

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People on the internet in regards to fitness go about it the wrong way IMO. They try and fit everyone into a compartmentalized fitness routine of min/max based upon their desires. I've always had a much different approach. I try and figure out what people like to do and recommend based upon that. I, personally, detest cardio and running in general. So I have a strength routine that focuses on lifting weights but generally low amounts quickly so my heart is pumping like I'm doing cardio but I'm not tethered to a treadmill. Is it the best workout in the world? Nope. But is it a workout that I'll do 3 times a week because I enjoy it? Yes. The hardest hurdle at the gym (or just fitness in general) is finding something you like and doing it. And that varies person by person. It is better to lose 30 pounds doing an ineffecient workout than losing zero pounds doing an effecient workout that you won't stick with. I've seen people at my work get wonderful results from P90X but I could only stick with it for about three weeks because I really don't like fitness videos. I've tried to get people to do my routine with me before and they cop out after a few weeks because they don't like my routine. Thats fine. Just do something, ANYTHING and make small steps towards your ultimate goal. Don't turn your life upside down. Make it a lifestyle change and eventually health and exercise becomes second nature.
Absolutely. Every person is different for what they like. I don't mind, and actually enjoy cardio, as long as I have some music to listen too. I get into a rhythem and just grind it out. I have a goal of eventually being able to jog/run a few miles without dying. I'll get there, but that's a goal right now of mine.

The hardest part is cutting out foods, and portion control. It's always been my problem since I was a kid, which is why I'm in the position I'm in now as an adult. I ate as much as I wanted, as often as I wanted, and it was awesome (at the time). Food addiction? Probably. I'm envious of the people that just eat food to live, and get no real joy out of it. Food is comforting to me, and food is celebratory to me. Breaking those connections is going to be the toughest part of the whole thing.

Sorry for the continued de-rail. This probably should just all move over to the weight loss thread.
 

Tenks

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Count me in as one of those people that eats simply because I have to eat. I don't even really feel hunger anymore. It is kind of strange. I really only know I'm hungry when I can feel my brain starting to slow down. I also dislike the feeling of being full so even when I eat I don't eat a whole ton to avoid that feeling. Probably the reason I can eat pretty much whatever I want because I just eat low quantities of not-so-great food for lunch. Then my wife makes a proper and pretty nutritious dinner for us.
 

iannis

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It really is pretty strange. Hunger comes in the form of a massive headache screaming, "Hey, dipshit, you forgot to eat!"

I too used to actually get hungry when I was hungry.
 

Itlan

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No. Everyone needs to focus on the four major lifts: deadlift, squat, bench, overhead press. Otherwise you're SHIT.
 

Khane

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I wonder what Grumpus is up to these days. Think he ever married that 19 year old?