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I still can't get over how they butchered Taskmaster

Homsar said:

I still can't get over how they butchered Taskmaster

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At least (s)he keeps the mask on, so there's that. Probably not many lines throughout I'm guessing, none I could see in the trailer.

Those trailers don't look terrible. The cast is great and if it ends up being a middle of the road Marvel flick it'll 100% be because of the casting.

Dr.Retarded said:

I never saw the movie that originally had Taskmaster, but I had his character in Marvel Heroes Diablo style game. He was a pretty fun character and I thought he was a dude.

I never read a bunch of Marvel comics growing up, preferred dark horse and image, and from my understanding he was a pretty interesting character, but then they gender swapped him. Pretty gay.

Maybe because of the trans BS?

Also is the blonde chick the girl from Midsommer, the Ari Aster wicker man film?

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Yes and Yes.

It may just be the editing, but I can't get over how Taskmaster and Ghost disappear from shot to shot. Seriously, when the blast doors slam down, where is Taskmaster?

Actually, Red Guardian isn't in that scene at all, Sentry and Taskmaster aren't in the limo scene, Taskmaster isn't in the elevator but materializes when they need the team shot but Sentry isn't there before or after. It's like the script randomly puts Pugh + 2-5 other characters in each scene.

Wombat said:

It may just be the editing, but I can't get over how Taskmaster and Ghost disappear from shot to shot. Seriously, when the blast doors slam down, where is Taskmaster?

Actually, Red Guardian isn't in that scene at all, Sentry and Taskmaster aren't in the limo scene, Taskmaster isn't in the elevator but materializes when they need the team shot but Sentry isn't there before or after. It's like the script randomly puts Pugh + 2-5 other characters in each scene

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Extensive re-editing and rewriting of scenes?

I haven't about this one but I know Captain America 4 just added a new main bad guy (Gus from Breaking Bad) during reshoots.

I can't see this crap appealing to main stream audiences. No one knows who these characters are and no one cares about their story. This will be another eternals flop and that had mega stars in it.

No one knew or cared about Guardians of the Galaxy either. While DC stuffing their movies with the most famous comic characters that ever existed keeps spiraling. Don't think prior main stream knowledge of characters is much of a factor. Marvel certainly burned the general goodwill where people will watch anything. But if the movie is decent, it'll do decent.

Bald Brah said:

I can't see this crap appealing to main stream audiences. No one knows who these characters are and no one cares about their story. This will be another eternals flop and that had mega stars in it.

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I've never even heard of Thunderbolts. Who is the low rent Captain America? Couldn't they find someone who didn't look like he just won his local wife beating contest?

Its an interesting strategy. Avengers worked mainly because it was a collection of D-list heroes whose stories hadnt been beaten into the ground and rebooted a half dozen times.

So now they try a collection of D-list villains. Not an awful strategy on paper.

Seems like they lack the charm of the Avengers casting though. Still the trailer looks better than most MCU post Endgame so I'm ready to give it a try.

I love the constant “avengers were just D list heroes” argument

Thor Captain America Hulk Iron Man all had theater release films, nationally broadcast movies, or nationally broadcast cartoons in the 2 decades of prior to merge MCU.

this movie is a bunch of extras from flop Disney plus shows that barely had The Boyz levels of viewers and the black widow movie that barely anyone saw but had its box office pumped up by being the only film released at its time and being available in many places.

there is no comparison here. This is a bunch of even shottier tier characters that have barely been seen and have no following with mostly actors that I like but aren’t draws themselves.

Yes, the standalone films were necessary to introduce them because who the fuck cared about Iron Man. Thats not an argument against the fact that they were D list heroes.

You're right, though, that these villains havent been given the same level of intro. It may very well turn out to be another Eternals.

Its hard to get mad over the weird editing in the trailer cause they are hiding Sentry and probably stuff with Red Hulk that they wont even hint at till after Brave New World comes out.

-Taskmaster looks better
-US Agent was a stand out part in a real shit show, plus Wyatt Russel is good
-It looks like the right direction for a film like this. Yea it will probably turn into Dark Avengers or whatever, but they will in theory be a match except for Yelena will not have anyone to fight, but neither did Black Widow.
- I still miss Winter Soldier Bucky, Sebastian Stan really had a different intensity when playing that version and it was awesome.

Anyways its out in like what? 10 months? Atleast it didnt go into reshoots 500 times and looks pretty okay for a first impression.

When Iron man movie came out general audiences were aware of the character and knew what it was, it wasn’t people saying “what the fuck is an iron man”

I have seen almost every MCU film and I cannot even tell you the correct names of anyone on this team besides Taskmaster but I would never know it was that character from the marketing and if I didn’t read it.

how far up your own ass is your head that you can sit there and try to pretend this IP has anywhere near the market penetration or general audience awareness that the Iron Man Thor Hulk abd Captain America or avengers Ip did? That was part of the American zeitgeist and pop culure. Your autists try to downplay that with “well their comics sold like shit” but that doesn’t matter the target audiences for movies aren’t comic buyers it’s the public. And those characters had 50 times the audience of this shit.
Seriously, go walk outside for an hour and ask 100 strangers if they can name a single character in this movie. Or if they have even heard of Ghost or Sentry or even whatever Russian guys name is.

I can’t wait till a Lobo movie comes out and you dorks try to tell us how it’s the same as avengers.

In 2007 you could go dollar store and find toys and merch for the avengers. You think Blonde Black Widow hathat?

Fucker said:

I've never even heard of Thunderbolts. Who is the low rent Captain America? Couldn't they find someone who didn't look like he just won his local wife beating contest?

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Other than Sentry, these MCU characters were all _antagonists_ in previous Marvel movies / shows. None of them were really _willingly villainous_, however.

Winter Soldier - While mind controlled, elite assassin for Soviets. (Sounds like he's barely in this thing.)
Red Guardian - Soviet knockoff of Captain America from the Black Widow prequel movie, infiltrated and sabotaged targets in the US, but under orders.
Yelena Belova (New Widow) - Also introduced in Black Widow, she's basically on Natasha's side for that entire movie. She then shows up in the Hawkeye TV show intending to kill a couple people, but doesn't.
Taskmaster - Yet another Black Widow character, who while also mind controlled, killed people.
U.S. Agent - From the Falcon and Winter Soldier TV show, the government's replacement for Captain America. I think he gets too aggressive from the serum and kills _a_ super powered terrorist while working under direct orders, which is a pretty low bar for villainy. (I didn't finish the show.)
Ghost - From Antman and the Wasp, elite assassin for SHIELD. Her powers are killing her though, so she tries to take control of the quantum realm generator to heal herself, I think? (The ending of that movie is a mess.)
Bob / The Sentry - New to the MCU.

While not known to the general public, The Thunderbolts comic is famous in comics circles for its first issue twist - after introducing a batch of painfully generic new heroes, it's revealed that they are all well known super villains with new identities working for Baron Zemo, intending to use public goodwill / funding to their own ends. They then morph into a rotating crew of anti-heroes.

Obviously the comics crew knows what their deal is, and any normie who googles will find out in two minutes as well, so (much like Spider Man Far From Home) there has to be an MCU specific twist, which is what the asterisk in the title is for, as by the end of the movie they'll have a different name - though whether that's Dark Avengers, Doom's Contract Killers, or something else is unknown.