Yep, losing CP would have been a disaster and we'd be looking at another 30 years of lolclippers (probably still are, but this gives them a chance).
NBA 2012-13 Season Thread - Crown The Heat!
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
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I ALMOST understand their viewpoint.. They think it's collusion, but I don't see how it's any different then a player asking for a trade to a certain team. Plus, players have wanted to join teams with players/coaches they like in the past, which has influenced trade decisions. I think the league, and Stern, have overreacted ever since the Decision's backlash on these matters.
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You can't trade coaches. What you can do is give a team the right to sign him and receive draft picks as compensation.
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Nah, they're far more important in the NFL. I'd say NBA comes second though.
I'm not sold on Rivers being a great coach. Good yes, but great? I dunno. A large part of his success can be attributed to the roster and having Thibideau (who is definitely a great coach) as a great assistant coach when that talent came together. Rivers is definitely a great ref manipulator / whiner, I'll give him that. Bottom line though is he's an upgrade, and if it makes CP3 happy it's worth it.
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NBA coaches are not more important than any other league. They're important, but their importance it's vastly overrated. They go from coach of the year to fired within a couple years constantly, the last coach of the year was fired the same year the won.
I remember there being a point in the recent past where in a 2 year period every team but two had a coaching change
I remember there being a point in the recent past where in a 2 year period every team but two had a coaching change
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FTFY. Granted, George Karl was more of a contract dispute than his abilities to coach. Still pretty dumb.
Consider this too: Eric Spoelstra is now the 2nd longest tenured coach with their current team other than Gregg Popovich.
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So Spoelstra and Doc. How many other coaches have been with championship teams that you wouldn't consider in the elite category of the league? Maybe means more than you think it does.
Talent trumps all in the NBA and that won't ever change, but I think saying the impact of coaching is overrated is a bit much.
Talent trumps all in the NBA and that won't ever change, but I think saying the impact of coaching is overrated is a bit much.
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Not sure what your trying to say. There are good coaches like Pop and Phil, and there are bad coaches like D'Antoni who mange your team worse.
But the way coaches go from OMG such amazing coach!! To fired in a year's time shows they are given too much credit for the wins and too much blame for the losses.
Mike Brown, Avery Johnson, Byron Scott, etc. were all apparently amazing coaches who somehow forgot how to coach
But the way coaches go from OMG such amazing coach!! To fired in a year's time shows they are given too much credit for the wins and too much blame for the losses.
Mike Brown, Avery Johnson, Byron Scott, etc. were all apparently amazing coaches who somehow forgot how to coach
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My point is just that if coaching was overrated we'd see more championship teams with mediocre ones. Why pay Phil 10 mil/year if you can find someone else and win on talent alone?
The list of NBA Championship winning coaches is pretty elite. There is Doc and Spoelstra, but otherwise you have to go to 86 before you find someone that isn't HoF worthy.
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That doesn't explain how you have these incredible coaches who all of a sudden become terrible with no real explanation. And winning titles makes you HOF worthy so it's a circular argument.
Rick Carlisle and Tomjanovich are 2 that come to mind, though.
Rick Carlisle and Tomjanovich are 2 that come to mind, though.
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Was Brown really that good or was he just handed elite athletes to "manage" for lack of a better term? I always thought he was mediocre at best. Johnson/Scott I can't comment on but really? Was Brown actually good?
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It's probably an ego thing by the media. Instead of a team being better than they thought, they'd rather believe somehow the coach is behind it all
My list of "elite" coaches in the NBA right now is pretty small - Popp, Rivers, Carlisle, and Thibs - those 4 get the most of out their teams (team is the key word here, all 4 of their teams are less "talented" than the teams like OKC or Heat), and have an offensive or defensive system that have won championships.
Spoelstra has LeBron and the specter of Pat Riley behind him so he's in the next tier with guys like George Karl and Adelman.
Almost everyone else is replaceable and has been replaced. If OKC had Popp or Carlisle or anyone who can actually call plays out of a huddle they would have a championship by now, instead they have Scottie Brooks.
Coach of the Year is a joke, because if it wasn't then Popp would have 10 of them.
Spoelstra has LeBron and the specter of Pat Riley behind him so he's in the next tier with guys like George Karl and Adelman.
Almost everyone else is replaceable and has been replaced. If OKC had Popp or Carlisle or anyone who can actually call plays out of a huddle they would have a championship by now, instead they have Scottie Brooks.
Coach of the Year is a joke, because if it wasn't then Popp would have 10 of them.
These guys are all average at best, Mike Brown is straight up bad.
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