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[NO Spoilers] Star Wars: Episode 7 - NO PUSSY SHIT
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Yeah I think most of the love of the first three movies is all about nostalgia, and of course the effects for that time, which took sci-fi to another level. But story wise? they were just as bad as prequels, really. the only saving grace was some of the actors like Harrison Ford which brought life to those characters. They were basically kids movies. But the prequels, to this day I cant even get my kids to sit down to watch them because they are so boring. Heavy on shitty dialogue, too much going on, no focus.
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star wars was probably a major event in most of us old timers lives. the nostalgia factor of it alone is beyond extreme. its just not a very good story, but it did not have to be and more importantly, it wasnt meant to be. it was meant to be an homage to the flash gordon/buck rogers serials in the 30s and 40s. i was fortunate enough to have seen and enjoyed flash gordon on PBS for a few years before Star Wars came out and when i did see Star Wars in the theater, i was immediately reminded of them. you are supposed to enjoy star wars as the spectacle it is and the simple storyline is just a vehicle to deliver all that awesome.
They could call it Star Wars: The Next Generation!
Watching these movies at the theater was pure magic back then. Go watch any other Sci Fi before 1977 and do a comparison. The movies still are awesome 35 years later and look great on TV.
The acting was decent too. I don't get why you call them kid movies. They really are movies for *EVERYONE*. Empire definitely was more adult, and I really wish Jedi had kept the same tone but Lucas was already starting to lose it back then.
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Go watch the original Planet of the Apes or Logan's Run, that is what Sci-Fi had become until 1977 when Star Wars was released. It really was such a monumental "OMG" change of quality and overall impact that it completely altered the way movies were made from then on. I was a little kid when Star Wars came out but even then I knew that it was so completely different than anything else I had ever seen that I was instantly hooked.
Because we now live in the motion picture industry that Lucas and Spielberg created people now cant really appreciate what a sudden transition it was.
Because we now live in the motion picture industry that Lucas and Spielberg created people now cant really appreciate what a sudden transition it was.
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Star Trek movies have never been particularly good period. Like 3 of them are actually good, a few are watchable. I thought the first JJ Abrams Star Trek was fine as an appeal to nostalgia+reboot, but the second one was a fucking Star Trek theme park ride (sadly without the moving chairs), not a movie. And bringing in Khan as the villain, while making him absolutely nothing like Khan, is fucking retarded.
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As for the original Star Wars movies, they're great because they have really great universal themes at the core. Everyone can identify with them, from children to adults. There's plenty of good stuff left unexplained, leaving room for the imagination, while there's also some interesting things to ponder, especially for people who were never exposed to any philosophy before, or people who were sick of the whole Christianity thing. The whole jedi thing is a lot of eastern/western mix that hit the spot at the time and stuck because it's simple. And there's a great set of characters, never forget how important that is to a film/series.
It's the same reason the first Matrix movie as good. A sci-fi movie should ponder it's own navel just enough to be good, just enough to tap into these subconscious, universal themes, but not enough to be a fucking joke.
Then in the prequels they had to be all like LOL MIDICHLORIANS.
It's the same reason the first Matrix movie as good. A sci-fi movie should ponder it's own navel just enough to be good, just enough to tap into these subconscious, universal themes, but not enough to be a fucking joke.
Then in the prequels they had to be all like LOL MIDICHLORIANS.
2001 came out in 1968, and was very high quality.
Star Wars was a breakout film tho.
Recently watching Star Wars I couldn't believe how bad Alec Guinness overacts in that movie. He by far gives the worst performance of anyone in that movie.
Star Wars was a breakout film tho.
Recently watching Star Wars I couldn't believe how bad Alec Guinness overacts in that movie. He by far gives the worst performance of anyone in that movie.
Alec Guinness thought the film was an embarrassing joke while he was making it:
"new rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper - and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable. I just think, thankfully, of the lovely bread, which will help me keep going until next April even if Yahoo collapses in a week ... I must off to studio and work with a dwarf (very sweet - and he has to wash in a bidet) and your fellow countrymen Mark Hamill and Tennyson (that can't be right) Ford. Ellison (? - No!) - well, a rangy, languid young man who is probably intelligent and amusing. But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety - and treat me as if I was 106. - Oh, Harrison Ford - ever heard of him?"
- from his biography. The reason Obi Wan gets killed off is because Guinness couldn't stand it any longer and wanted off the film.
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Just heard the rumour that the films will focus on the old trio of Han, Leia and Luke. Not sure if they will be using the original actors or not. If they do use the old ones then... well... I fear it will be Crystal Skull all over again. I'll still go see it at the cinema. And prolly cry myself to sleep afterwards.
If I could have my way I'd just focus on the new generation and have the old cast have small roles, just for the fun, nothing more than 5 minutes of screen time though and a couple of lines, just for nostalgia's sake, and then that's that, none of them in any future movies. And Jennifer Lawrence as Jaina, hell YES!
If I could have my way I'd just focus on the new generation and have the old cast have small roles, just for the fun, nothing more than 5 minutes of screen time though and a couple of lines, just for nostalgia's sake, and then that's that, none of them in any future movies. And Jennifer Lawrence as Jaina, hell YES!
I don't think that's right. Guiness thought it was 'fairy tale' rubbish. However, he knew a gem when he saw it, which is why he negotiated 2% of the gross off the top.
He was a Shakespearean old fogey actor in a Sci Fi new age film. His comments make perfect sense, but pretty much everyone raves about his work ethic and the fact he pushed everyone to get the film done. Give me his Obi-Wan over Ewan Mcgregor any day.
"Alec disliked his role as "Obi-Wan Kenobi" in the Star Wars movies, and even claimed that he persuaded George Lucas to kill off the character as a way to limit his involvement in the films. He also claimed to have thrown away all of his Star Wars-related fan mail unopened."
Taken from:Alec Guinness Trivia & Quotes - TV.com, and I can remember him being quoted as saying that at the time.
"Apart from the money, which should get me comfortably through the year, I regret having embarked on the film." is what he wrote in his diary while working on Star Wars.
After he had seen the finished product he was happier with it (especially the money, more than anyone had dreamed the film would make, least of all Guinness), but as time went by he became less and less enthusiastic:
"A refurbished Star Wars is on somewhere or everywhere. I have no intention of revisiting any galaxy. I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. Twenty years ago, when the film was first shown, it had a freshness, also a sense of moral good and fun. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having..." He then goes to relate how upon hearing from a ten year old boy that he'd seen Star Wars 100 times, he made him promise never to watch it again, causing a flood of tears. "I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities," he commented.
I'm not sure what your point is there. I think you are reading far too much into diary entries from an actor generally considered to be overtly critical in those. He pretty much had bad things to say in his diary for every movie he's done, and many actors and directors. He said the best line of his career was asking Luke about being a Jedi. For as established an actor as he was, that's saying something.
I think more than anything he just hated the fan craziness and also was spot on in that Lucas' writing was horrible and his directing was mediocre. The best Star Wars movie by far, Empire, didn't have Lucas directing it. it gives me hope for Episode 7 although I certainly would've preferred Cuaron over JJ Abrams.
I think more than anything he just hated the fan craziness and also was spot on in that Lucas' writing was horrible and his directing was mediocre. The best Star Wars movie by far, Empire, didn't have Lucas directing it. it gives me hope for Episode 7 although I certainly would've preferred Cuaron over JJ Abrams.
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Is it ok to enjoy Star Wars 4-6, Logan's Run, Lynch's Dune, Planet of the Apes movies,and2001, appreciating each and every one of them for what they are, no more, no less? Or does that mean I have to hand in my nerd card because I'm supposed to have different levels of reverence and suspension of disbelief for everything. This over machining of ideas is why good IPs are being shat on so often, just put good people on the job that give a shit about the source material and simply let them work.
Have JJ Abrams direct a Star Wars movie co-written by Neil Gaiman, Blur studios doing the CG action scenes choreographed by Genndy Tartakovsky, allow the vice grip Lucas had on the actor's throats to relax giving a few goddamned opportunities to ad lib, go back to animatronics by finding a protege of Stuart Freeborn to do the models and makeup and now the lynchpin to success;
Hire Clint Eastwood to just stand there and slap anyone in the face as hard as he wants to atany timeif he feels someone is adding too much lens flare, shaky cam, crappy dialogue, CGI, or generally behaving against the spirit of the project and/or because he just wants to.
PRESTO a good, financially successful film that everyone has a chance to enjoy made by people that give a shit
Have JJ Abrams direct a Star Wars movie co-written by Neil Gaiman, Blur studios doing the CG action scenes choreographed by Genndy Tartakovsky, allow the vice grip Lucas had on the actor's throats to relax giving a few goddamned opportunities to ad lib, go back to animatronics by finding a protege of Stuart Freeborn to do the models and makeup and now the lynchpin to success;
Hire Clint Eastwood to just stand there and slap anyone in the face as hard as he wants to atany timeif he feels someone is adding too much lens flare, shaky cam, crappy dialogue, CGI, or generally behaving against the spirit of the project and/or because he just wants to.
PRESTO a good, financially successful film that everyone has a chance to enjoy made by people that give a shit
The point is he didn't think much of Star Wars while he was making it, and he didn't think much of Star Wars 20 years later. To judge how he really felt I'd go with what he wrote in his letters and diaries more than what he said in public. In public he was charming - the man had to earn a living with these people after all - but in his private correspondence he was brutally frank, and those documents weren't revealed until early last year. Considering how disparaging he was about the dialog I somehow doubt he really meant the best line of his career was from Star Wars, unless he was thinking about $$$ per word.
Alec Guinness doesn't come across as a nice guy at all in a lot of his writing, which is a shame. You're right that he wrote a lot of bad things about a lot of people and a lot of films, Star Wars was by no means unique.
As for the new film, the less that Lucas has to do with it the better. Kasdan I'm not sure about, he hasn't done much since Wyatt Earp 20 years ago and that wasn't a great film. Abrams is a decent choice though.