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No. In Louisiana.
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Just got out of it and I loved it. Even with the storm delay which we're now under tornado warning till 2am.

Great job building the dread and horror. The movie didn't remind the audience it's a movie either. I also like how it kept pretty close to the original. It could have been a little shorter but I'm ok with it's run time. First horror movie I've been to in decades that got the blood flowing and had an amazing jump scare.

Overall, fantastic movie. Best horror movie I've seen in many years.
I think the film-making, the homage to the original, and the production values are top-notch. I also concur that the world-building is good (although London looks like Prague).

It is a detailed, moody, eerie film that intentionally moves at a snail's pace. It's filled with ambience of dread/fear/anxiety and the anticipation that something awful is on the horizon (a la "Winter is Coming" in GOT). What is the best scene in the movie? The one that makes no sense at all either-- the gypsy dude dancing in the (way-overcrowded) gypsy town. (and there is a subplot there that was never explained but I won't go into that because it would be a spoiler. Let's just ask "what happened?")

It is bad storytelling with two-dimensional characters and over-the-top acting to the point of hyperbole. Plus, when you break the film down to its actual story-telling elements (which is one of the things MOST films do (tell a story)- unless you watch something like "Koyaanisquati," I was expecting top-notch tale. This film does not even achieve a coherent narrative.

I get it-- tastes are different and you can like something I do not. I was anticipating a very high-quality horror movie. Especially since the director made "The Witch" which achieves all that. It's all dark and brooding and beautiful sets and filming that all amount to nothing with people who may as well be puppets thrown in.

Robert Eggers was showing-off and wasting time and money making this hollow, platinum-plated turd of a film.
 

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Looking forward to seeing this on Tuesday...assuming I have the fucking day to myself.

Also Fandango changing the seat icon amused me.
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Saw it.
It's pretty.
It's bad.
It's pretty bad.

I'm not even certain what the game plan was for this movie... Take all the cool qualities of Dracula and remove them. Do nothing with the Bram Stoker source material (which is not that great anyway... He's never was a Melville). Have Nosferatu resurrected so that he can have an obsession with Frida Khalo. And she, for no reason at all (except maybe wokeness) has supernatural suffering-chick powers. I won't say more because it would be spoilers.

But this isn't a spoiler:

the movie is too long... Characters talk TOO LOUDLY and toooooo slowly... And with an overabundance of hyperbole (but say nothing).

It's another big budget meaningless piece of crap.
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Just got back from seeing it. Holy shit, it was perfect. Acting, atmosphere, pacing, everything was bang on. Eggers is great at just letting stories be events that aren't weighed down by contrivances or MacGuffins.
Every single scene was gorgeous. He's hands down the best director working today. Hard to say where it will shake out in his catalog - and I'm still buzzing on it - but I can see it winding up at the very top when the dust settles.

I also hope this signals a resurgence of gothic horror in place of all the modern, blumhouse trash they make today.
 
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I think the film-making, the homage to the original, and the production values are top-notch. I also concur that the world-building is good (although London looks like Prague).

It is a detailed, moody, eerie film that intentionally moves at a snail's pace. It's filled with ambience of dread/fear/anxiety and the anticipation that something awful is on the horizon (a la "Winter is Coming" in GOT). What is the best scene in the movie? The one that makes no sense at all either-- the gypsy dude dancing in the (way-overcrowded) gypsy town. (and there is a subplot there that was never explained but I won't go into that because it would be a spoiler. Let's just ask "what happened?")

It is bad storytelling with two-dimensional characters and over-the-top acting to the point of hyperbole. Plus, when you break the film down to its actual story-telling elements (which is one of the things MOST films do (tell a story)- unless you watch something like "Koyaanisquati," I was expecting top-notch tale. This film does not even achieve a coherent narrative.

I get it-- tastes are different and you can like something I do not. I was anticipating a very high-quality horror movie. Especially since the director made "The Witch" which achieves all that. It's all dark and brooding and beautiful sets and filming that all amount to nothing with people who may as well be puppets thrown in.

Robert Eggers was showing-off and wasting time and money making this hollow, platinum-plated turd of a film.
So the best scene in the movie, for you, is the gypsy dancing? Well maybe that's part of your problem.

I didn't think the movie was perfect, and Lily Rose-Depp almost ruined it for me to be honest, but that entire fucking scene where he first meets the Count in his castle is not somehow in the running for best scene for you? WTF?

Also, I'm curious, you say it didn't tell a story in a coherent narrative. How so? Did you not follow what was happening? I went with a friend's family that are no scholars, and none of them had trouble following what was going on. Isn't that the essence of storytelling, being able to follow what is going on? Sure, there were a few slightly confusing things, like what happened in her flashback, but she even tells what happened so there isn't any confusion. I get that maybe you wanted it to tell the story differently somehow, and that's fair, but to say it "does not even achieve a coherent narrative" seems pretty off-base from my perspective.

Like I said, I'll probably never watch this again, so I'm far from riding its nuts, but man, it is like you watched an entirely different movie than the rest of us.
 
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Saw it.
It's pretty.
It's bad.
It's pretty bad.

I'm not even certain what the game plan was for this movie... Take all the cool qualities of Dracula and remove them. Do nothing with the Bram Stoker source material (which is not that great anyway... He's never was a Melville). Have Nosferatu resurrected so that he can have an obsession with Frida Khalo. And she, for no reason at all (except maybe wokeness) has supernatural suffering-chick powers. I won't say more because it would be spoilers.

But this isn't a spoiler:

the movie is too long... Characters talk TOO LOUDLY and toooooo slowly... And with an overabundance of hyperbole (but say nothing).

It's another big budget meaningless piece of crap.
You can watch Twilight on streaming if you like
 
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I thought it was very good film making.

My hot take:

This is a film about how sexual trauma affects future relationships with
the opening scene being said trauma. I think the key to this understanding this is the scene where Orlock meets Depp for the first time and describes himself as pure (sexual) appetite as the opposite pole of love. I also think it is significant that the film maker only has Orlock biting people on their chest near their heart instead of their neck but I am not sure how.

Depp’s character is troubled by her trauma throughout childhood and goes to her father about it who accuses her of sin but otherwise does nothing. In typical Oedipal fashion she marries Hoult’s character who treats her in much he same way. The trauma resurfaces during their honeymoon, but he ignores her needs and gaslights her in order to justify pursuing his husbandly duties like career, money, etc.

The husband only awakens to her trauma after he himself is traumatized. The married couple who shelters them are indirectly affected, and the scene with the two women in bed where Depp is vulnerable and expresses love is the only scene that I can recall in the film that shows a cross. I think the film maker is saying that this is true Christianity because her friend is the only one who listens to and believes her. But her husband denies the reality of vampires which symbolizes a denial of her trauma which in turn leads to the deaths of other innocent people, i.e. his family.

The vampire is only defeated through acceptance and vulnerability via sexual union within the bonds of marriage because she awaits orlock in a wedding dress.

I was distracted by my kid during the movie and I tend to read a lot into movies because I was a humanities major in school. I plan on watching it again to see if there was anything else I missed.
 
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I thought it was very good film making.

My hot take:

This is a film about how sexual trauma affects future relationships with
the opening scene being said trauma. I think the key to this understanding this is the scene where Orlock meets Depp for the first time and describes himself as pure (sexual) appetite as the opposite pole of love. I also think it is significant that the film maker only has Orlock biting people on their chest near their heart instead of their neck but I am not sure how.

Depp’s character is troubled by her trauma throughout childhood and goes to her father about it who accuses her of sin but otherwise does nothing. In typical Oedipal fashion she marries Hoult’s character who treats her in much he same way. The trauma resurfaces during their honeymoon, but he ignores her needs and gaslights her in order to justify pursuing his husbandly duties like career, money, etc.

The husband only awakens to her trauma after he himself is traumatized. The married couple who shelters them are indirectly affected, and the scene with the two women in bed where Depp is vulnerable and expresses love is the only scene that I can recall in the film that shows a cross. I think the film maker is saying that this is true Christianity because her friend is the only one who listens to and believes her. But her husband denies the reality of vampires which symbolizes a denial of her trauma which in turn leads to the deaths of other innocent people, i.e. his family.

The vampire is only defeated through acceptance and vulnerability via sexual union within the bonds of marriage because she awaits orlock in a wedding dress.

I was distracted by my kid during the movie and I tend to read a lot into movies because I was a humanities major in school. I plan on watching it again to see if there was anything else I missed.
I think the sucking from the chest instead of the neck is to remove some of the romanticism of the typical vampire tropes and just go right to the gorging-on-blood-straight-from-the-source visceral nature of it. The scene of him draining Hutter in the castle was particularly nasty. The sound... man, so unexpected and gross. Such an awesome detail to add.

As far as the sexual trauma theory.. I dunno. I think you could attribute stuff like that to pretty much any movie if you looked hard enough. Not saying it's not a valid discussion, just not sure it's what Eggers had in mind. But who knows really
 
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I think the sucking from the chest instead of the neck is to remove some of the romanticism of the typical vampire tropes and just go right to the gorging-on-blood-straight-from-the-source visceral nature of it. The scene of him draining Hutter in the castle was particularly nasty. The sound... man, so unexpected and gross. Such an awesome detail to add
Yeah that sound was really fucking gross lol
 
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I think the sucking from the chest instead of the neck is to remove some of the romanticism of the typical vampire tropes and just go right to the gorging-on-blood-straight-from-the-source visceral nature of it. The scene of him draining Hutter in the castle was particularly nasty. The sound... man, so unexpected and gross. Such an awesome detail to add.

As far as the sexual trauma theory.. I dunno. I think you could attribute stuff like that to pretty much any movie if you looked hard enough. Not saying it's not a valid discussion, just not sure it's what Eggers had in mind. But who knows really
I'd say its probably correct. Dracula is generally VERY much recognized as pertaining to lust, and sexuality. A lustful foreigner, literally devouring and corrupting pure Victorian women.
And Lucy after being turned, going after children. trys to seduce her husband.
The three sister/wives...
Seduction, adultery. Dracula is very clearly an inversion of Victorian marriage, fidelity, and sexual taboos.

"Lucy Westenra, but yet how changed. The sweetness was turned to adamantine, heartless cruelty, and the purity to voluptuous wantonness."

 
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Went to see it again this afternoon because I'm a fucking weirdo.


the ending is still just as powerful as the first time around. The swell of violins just as Orlok reels up in agony as his eyes start to bleed is really affective. That frame in general is fucking gorgeous. After an entire movie of gloomy, atmospheric backlighting where details are literally being pulled out of the shadows in post production, we end on the starkest, hardest light, full front of camera, showing every detail on screen. It hits you on a subconscious level. A genius bit of storytelling through cinematography.
I also noticed in interviews, Eggers constantly talks about the original Nosferatu as being a simple fairytale and to hammer that home, Defoe's lines at the end almost work like a bit of narration at the end of one. Really great stuff... and that final frame. Beautiful and grotesque all wrapped up in a single image. Reminded me a little of the work of photographer Joel Peter Witkin.[/spoiler}
 
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This was a good gothic vampire flick. I was expecting the movie to be more surreal or convoluted considering some of the comments made here, but it turned out to be a straight forward retelling of a story we've all heard before.

The tits could have been bigger, but other than that I enjoyed it. 👍
 
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Nosferatu Extended Cut Teased for Blu-ray Release by Robert Eggers

I might go ahead and wait for the extended version to come out before I watch it. I guess to any of you guys think there was a lot possibly cut out of the film?
I would guess everything that happens once Orlock arrives in Wisborg. It felt somewhat rushed and I can see that being fleshed out more in an extended version.

I would recommend watching it in a theater. Maybe later so it's less packed. The guy chomping popcorn right next to me was annoying so I might go watch it again myself when it's less crowded.

To the other discussion about vampires in general, here's a bit of vampire symbolism to help understand what they mean. There is definitely a sexual aspect, but vampires are essentially the corrupt aspect of the aristocracy. In a healthy hierarchy, those at the top will provide protection, direction, and identity to those below them. In return, those below will provide support and resources to sustain the projects of those above.

When those above only take and give nothing in return so that it only becomes about selfishly sustaining themselves, they become vampiric. They are also obsessed with micromanaging and controlling everything in their domain. At the core, it's the sin of pride more than lust. Vampires are also an inversion of Christ. He gives everything, including his blood, so that we all can have eternal life. The vampire takes everything, including our blood, to give himself eternal life.



edit: fleshed not flushed lol
 
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I would guess everything that happens once Orlock arrives in Wisborg. It felt somewhat rushed and I can see that being flushed out more in an extended version.

I would recommend watching it in a theater. Maybe later so it's less packed. The guy chomping popcorn right next to me was annoying so I might go watch it again myself when it's less crowded.

To the other discussion about vampires in general, here's a bit of vampire symbolism to help understand what they mean. There is definitely a sexual aspect, but vampires are essentially the corrupt aspect of the aristocracy. In a healthy hierarchy, those at the top will provide protection, direction, and identity to those below them. In return, those below will provide support and resources to sustain the projects of those above.

When those above only take and give nothing in return so that it only becomes about selfishly sustaining themselves, they become vampiric. They are also obsessed with micromanaging and controlling everything in their domain. At the core, it's the sin of pride more than lust. Vampires are also an inversion of Christ. He gives everything, including his blood, so that we all can have eternal life. The vampire takes everything, including our blood, to give himself eternal life.


+1 Jonathan Pageau is smart AF
 
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