NVidia GeForce RTX 50x0 cards - 70% performance increase, but AI > you

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Cinge

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Ignoring all the dlss/ai frame gen stuff, seems like a normal generational to generational upgrade. ~30% more power for 30% more cost(msrp) for 30% more power consumption. For FE at least, who knows when it comes to AIB costs.

I am more interested in the mid range stuff. I want to see how both versions of the 5070 compare and preform.
 

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The only real image you'll need. 4k is memes are those people aren't real.

TL;DR skip if you have a 4080/4090, 3xxx people see a big jump if you're itching for a rebuild

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Well, watched a ton of reviews. Looks like the cooler and FE card design are fantastic - perhaps the best NVIDIA has ever had. That said, the performance gains come with quite a bit of power draw, so this looks like, at best, a 4090TI. Not wonderful. Hard to believe this is the next generation and not a mid gen refresh.

Also, these benchmarks are showcasing how awesome the 9800x3d cpus are... Really need to snag one at some point.
 
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Those numbers seem really off. I just played this w/ everything on 4k/very high all maxed everything w/ a 4090/7800x3d and rarely noticed a sub 120fps drop (which I set as cap).

Here are the in game benchmarks just now.

Very High

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High - Ignore the minimum I alt tabbed for a sec ;[

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Idle power usage on the 5090 is fucking terrible, hope they fix that.
They will.

For the 6XXX serie. And it'll be a good move i guess "hey looks same spec but 70% less power usage and even smaller card, we did fags, with AI, buy it saves the planet".
 

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"It's 25% more expensive than the 4090 to give you 32.4% more performance, which works out to 5.91% more performance per dollar. Compared to the 81% additional performance per dollar, because there was 0 cost change, from 3090 to 4090. It is not the greatest value proposition. ... When you compare the 3090 to 4090, you got nearly double the performance at the same cost" -JayzTwoCents
 
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Neranja

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seems like a normal generational to generational upgrade. ~30% more power for 30% more cost(msrp) for 30% more power consumption.
Usually generational upgrades come with the benefits of a node shrink. Only this time Nvidia is using TSMC 4N, which is the same process as the previous Lovelace. The last real generational uplift on that front has been with the jump from Ampere, which used Samsung 8N. Probably because Jensen Huang thought his company was the greatest and the manufacturing side is unimportant, so they tried to cheap out by not using TSMC.

The only thing saving Blackwell is the upgrade to GDDR7, and the increase in bandwidth by using a 512 bit wide memory bus on the 5090, compared to the 384 bit wide memory bus of the 4090. This is probably where the rasterization performance uplift comes from, which is why rasterization uplift is so inconsistent between games. But GDDR7 seems to need a lot of power and in turn produces a lot of heat, so it's a double-edged solution.

It now has become obvious that Nvidia is probably focusing totally and wholly on AI, and this is where their engineering staff is working on. This is going to explode in their face when the hype cycle regarding AI will inevitably crash down to the trough of disillusionment.

In the meantime you can educate your fellow casual gamers why frame generation sucks, especially for those competetive types that want high refresh rates in the first place:
  • If you generate inbetween frames, you generate lag: the card plays out generated frames to the last "real" frame until the next "real" frame is done.
  • If you generate lookahead frames you have to predict the future: but in competetive games (think CS2 or Valorant), how do you predict if there is an enemy behind the corner or not? This is usually why competetive players want higher framerates: to reduce their reaction time as much as possible.
 
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Ignoring all the dlss/ai frame gen stuff, seems like a normal generational to generational upgrade. ~30% more power for 30% more cost(msrp) for 30% more power consumption.

That's treading water at best. GN was hammering on that point back in the 30 series reviews, pointing out typical generational improvements used to be a greater than 1 to 1 performance to cost increase.
 
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6XXX better be the first generation designed completely by AI. “We gave SkyNet the 5090 and said ‘Make this better!’ And here’s the result…”

It would probably be shaped like a dick and covered in racist slurs, and have better performance improvements than these. I’d buy that.
 
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Ignoring all the dlss/ai frame gen stuff, seems like a normal generational to generational upgrade. ~30% more power for 30% more cost(msrp) for 30% more power consumption. For FE at least, who knows when it comes to AIB costs.

I am more interested in the mid range stuff. I want to see how both versions of the 5070 compare and preform.
Wrong. 0% performance per watt or performance per dollar increase is not normal.
 
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Cinge

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That's treading water at best. GN was hammering on that point back in the 30 series reviews, pointing out typical generational improvements used to be a greater than 1 to 1 performance to cost increase.

Its basically what it is. Like the one person said, wouldn't be shocked if all their effort is in AI. We will probably have to wait till 6k series to see.

Sad thing is does it really matter? Consumers have shown they are pretty dumb and will buy it anyway just for any increase, $ doesn't seem to matter, even if they complain about it later.
 

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Sad thing is does it really matter?
I think consoles are for dumb consumers, and they are wholly AMD.

My hope is that the PC master race buying this shit is listening to the hardcore gamers, and they will tell them that frame generation is a stupid idea. As someone already said, in his keynotes Jensen Huang looks like someone that surrounds himself with yes-men and has no one to tell him "no, that's a bad idea." Even the leather jackets get worse every year, something I never thought possible.
 

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Nvidias bread and butter are commercial and industrial partners now, consumers not buying 5000 series isn't going to hurt their bottom line much.
 
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