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I've thought about going AMD video for my build, but I just don't want problems. And I've read about a lot of problems with AMD drivers and the 7900xtx. Not at current prices though, everything is ridiculous. The 7900xtx is going for as much as a MSRP 5080.

I did switch from Intel to AMD this time for CPU, from a 10700k to a 9800x3d. The build is complete and fired up the first try. Now all I need is a video card.
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I am trying to think back but I don't remember having any driver issues with my Gigabyte 7900XTX; I don't use many of the features of the drivers though so I may not be the best test subject.

It's easily one of the best cards I have owned, especially for the price I paid ~$800. Nothing touches the 1080Ti but its a great card for this/that gen, whereever we are in the cycle.

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i felt dumb for getting a 3090 in Feb 2021, *HOWEVER* i got it at retail, $1500 + tax. still running strong 4 years later and plays everything just fine at 1440, still haven't taken the 4K gaming plunge yet.
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I often wonder what this must be like. I think I got my first 4k monitor/TV in 2012-15? It was a South Korean TV that made for a great monitor.

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It was 2015: Wasabi-Mango 4k 42" Korean IPS monitor
 
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i felt dumb for getting a 3090 in Feb 2021, *HOWEVER* i got it at retail, $1500 + tax. still running strong 4 years later and plays everything just fine at 1440, still haven't taken the 4K gaming plunge yet.
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Yeah grabbed an FE at retail and game at 1440, everything runs great including Cyberpunk 2077, built a completely new build around it.

But I tried for the 5090…

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What in the actual fuck.

$3600 for a 5090 in Scandinavia... And they are sold out?
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They probably gave the entire country 12 cards. I wouldn’t worry about it.
 
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Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

Users of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs face many issues, with some cards even getting bricked with the latest drivers.

On Chinese forums including Chiphell, Baidu, and even the social media outlet, Bilibili, there are a bunch of reports of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090D ending up bricked. The two variants that have caused these issues are from manufacturers, Colorful and Manli. However, there are also a few reports of Gigabyte's RTX 5090D GPUs having the same issue have also popped up.

Now, as per the affected users, the problem started upon installing the latest drivers. One user says that he installed the GeForce RTX 5090D (Colorful) GPU inside his PC, booted it up, and upon installing the driver, the screen went black. The graphics card could no longer be recognized & the user checked both DP and HDMI interfaces.

A similar issue was reported on Baidu Forums where a user with Manli's GeForce RTX 5090D GPU, the Gallardo variant, installed drivers on his PC but ended up with his GPU being unrecognized by the system.

One of the sellers at the third-party outlet, Goofish, has stated that all NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & RTX 5090D GPUs are affected by the same issue and there's a high probability that the latest drivers will crash the card and make it unrecognizable by the system. There are also small chances of the GPU glitching out and a few cases of IC burns have also been reported.

Also, it looks like this issue might not be limited to the 5090D as some users with the GeForce RTX 5090 are also facing similar issues. Over on the r/ASUS subreddit, a user running the RTX 5090 is unable to detect the card on Windows, neither by the drivers nor by the BIOS. The user tried to clear CMOS, but that didn't work either.

In other news, the PCMarket community on Facebook (via Videocardz & Uniko's Hardware) managed to do some testing with RTX 5090D, RTX 5080, and RTX 4080 GPUs, which resulted in the 16-pin cables melting up. The outlet states that the cards were tested at full load so it is unknown what sort of stress test they were running and, by the looks of things, the connector cables do seem to be older 12VHPWR connectors which were used by the RTX 4090. Those cables and the connector have already caused severe melting issues on the RTX 4090, so a 600W 5090 with even more power can lead to disastrous outcomes.

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Ever notice theser problems never show up with early release stuff reviewers get. Imagine that.
 
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Ever notice theser problems never show up with early release stuff reviewers get. Imagine that.
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I mean them not getting a driver upgrade that released after the tests makes sense, and the one cable issue has the explanation right there in that it's an old cable that was already known for fucking up with 4090s, so yeah I could see how reviewers didn't run into that one either, since they use cables provided by Nvidia presumably, and also know how to fully connect them(which was one of the issues back when 4090s were burning). I only watched one review, the GamerNexus one and he did mention the cable was running hot as fuck(with a thermowhatever shot of it being hot as fuck) so yeah that's going to cause issues for sure for some people who use shit cables, don't connect them properly or just run into one of the inevitable defects, 4090s had the same problem.

Cards given for reviews are also likely to be tested more thoroughly to find any glaring issues I'd assume, plus as usual when you're have like 15-20 reports of cards fucking up, that's still going to be a low % compared to total sales. People with functionning cards aren't likely to open new threads discussing how their card is running properly.

The drivers bricking some cards is a pretty big deal overall though, since that's something that shouldn't happen in any way unless there was a big fuckup.

Like most things, best to dodge the early versions though, especially since they were most likely a rush job to get the meager numbers they made out before CNY. Only exception is Nintendo consoles, so you can use whatever exploit breaks them, but usually that also means not updating the system so you can't play games until some nerd figures out how to break it so it still feels bad. If they make an emulator as fast as for the first Switch that also won't really be necessary.
 
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gak said:
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Lots of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs Are Getting Bricked, Possibly Due To Driver, BIOS or PCIe Issues

Users of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs face many issues, with some cards even getting bricked with the latest drivers.

On Chinese forums including Chiphell, Baidu, and even the social media outlet, Bilibili, there are a bunch of reports of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090D ending up bricked. The two variants that have caused these issues are from manufacturers, Colorful and Manli. However, there are also a few reports of Gigabyte's RTX 5090D GPUs having the same issue have also popped up.

Now, as per the affected users, the problem started upon installing the latest drivers. One user says that he installed the GeForce RTX 5090D (Colorful) GPU inside his PC, booted it up, and upon installing the driver, the screen went black. The graphics card could no longer be recognized & the user checked both DP and HDMI interfaces.

A similar issue was reported on Baidu Forums where a user with Manli's GeForce RTX 5090D GPU, the Gallardo variant, installed drivers on his PC but ended up with his GPU being unrecognized by the system.

One of the sellers at the third-party outlet, Goofish, has stated that all NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & RTX 5090D GPUs are affected by the same issue and there's a high probability that the latest drivers will crash the card and make it unrecognizable by the system. There are also small chances of the GPU glitching out and a few cases of IC burns have also been reported.

Also, it looks like this issue might not be limited to the 5090D as some users with the GeForce RTX 5090 are also facing similar issues. Over on the r/ASUS subreddit, a user running the RTX 5090 is unable to detect the card on Windows, neither by the drivers nor by the BIOS. The user tried to clear CMOS, but that didn't work either.

In other news, the PCMarket community on Facebook (via Videocardz & Uniko's Hardware) managed to do some testing with RTX 5090D, RTX 5080, and RTX 4080 GPUs, which resulted in the 16-pin cables melting up. The outlet states that the cards were tested at full load so it is unknown what sort of stress test they were running and, by the looks of things, the connector cables do seem to be older 12VHPWR connectors which were used by the RTX 4090. Those cables and the connector have already caused severe melting issues on the RTX 4090, so a 600W 5090 with even more power can lead to disastrous outcomes.

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Neranja

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Unplugging and replugging 12V HPWR cables seems to be a bit like Russian Roulette.
 
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Unplugging and replugging 12V HPWR cables seems to be a bit like Russian Roulette.
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I’ve reinstalled my card ~7 times now from various waterblock trials and changing components. No issues thus far.

Am I a fan of the single tiny connector? No. But I also don’t want to be stuck plugging in the giant mass of 2x8 pci power connectors we have as the prior standard.
 
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I’ve reinstalled my card ~7 times now from various waterblock trials and changing components. No issues thus far.
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I am at 5 times now, and most people don't have issues either. But let's not pretend that the connector wasn't designed to be as small as possible by Nvidia, and that there is a significant number of people who fucked up their cards with it--an issue that just didn't exist with the ATX connectors.
 
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I am at 5 times now, and most people don't have issues either. But let's not pretend that the connector wasn't designed to be as small as possible by Nvidia, and that there is a significant number of people who fucked up their cards with it--an issue that just didn't exist with the ATX connectors.
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I had adapted cables go bad a month or two ago after a full year of use, Cablemod. Card was fine despite the cable failure. Replaced with a fasgear brand that barely reaches and is very tight maxed out on tension to barely plug it in, but no issues. After checking reddit apparently bad cables were not unheard of.
 
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Neranja said:
I am at 5 times now, and most people don't have issues either. But let's not pretend that the connector wasn't designed to be as small as possible by Nvidia, and that there is a significant number of people who fucked up their cards with it--an issue that just didn't exist with the ATX connectors.
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Which is why I'd love to have seen a lower rated intermediate cable option. 300W with a similar connector size would have been nice. The old 8pin connector was large for how over spec'd and underutilized the wiring to it was.
 
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The old 8pin connector was large for how over spec'd and underutilized the wiring to it was.
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They were derived from the old ATX Molex Mini-Fit Jr. connectors, which were specified between 6 and 8 Amperes per pin. Which was already an issue back in the day when the Pentium 4 was released and upped the CPU power requirements, which is when we got the extra 4 pin CPU power cables. Nowadays we even have single socket motherboards with two 8 pin CPU power connectors. Current Molex designs are specced to go up to 13 A per pin, but it wasn't this way in 1995 when the ATX standard was made.

The Nvidia connector is really pushing the limits and requires a good connection. If the connection is mediocre, worn out or not pushed in all the way it can cause issues.

If Nvidia really wanted to have smaller connectors and thinner cables to make their GPUs not look like they need a power supply on their own, one solution would've been to do what USB was doing with power delivery and to increase the voltage from 12V to 20V.
 
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That’s one way to reduce demand. The new AMD cards are due out in March. I may wait to see what those look like.
 
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