NVidia GeForce RTX 50x0 cards - 70% performance increase, but AI > you

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I bet it'll be a scalpers paradise again with the dockworkers strike starting Monday. Prepare your buttholes.
 

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I'd be surprised if there is that big of a performance difference between 450w and 600w as we've seen in previous generations the gains per watt really fall off after a certain point.
there's a shitload of cores in this thing
 

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My mind is fucking blown that the 3000 series cards are still selling at high prices when 5000 series may come out next quarter
 
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Until there is some new consoles with true 4k 120FPS, you will never need this $3000 card, lol.

And even then, the DEI infested game industry which has now completely cratered 90% of any talent left, will be so poorly coded and designed that only 1 or 2 games every five years will even come close to hitting that on next gen consoles.

There is zero coding talent left. And barely a handful of anything resembling talent left.
 
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Mist

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There is zero coding talent left.
Why would there be? They pay like 1/6th of what some random LLM wrapper API company is paying.

The problem with the games industry is the exact same as the problem with teaching jobs. The jobs pay far below rate for the education level required, so you end up with zealots, weirdos, and the friends of their friends. At least teachers get summers off. Programmers in the games industry get six months of 100-hour crunch weeks (without overtime pay) only to get laid off 2 days after the game ships.

It's the pay, stupid. People follow incentives, unless they're crazy.
 
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And even then, the DEI infested game industry which has now completely cratered 90% of any talent left, will be so poorly coded and designed that only 1 or 2 games every five years will even come close to hitting that on next gen consoles.

There is zero coding talent left. And barely a handful of anything resembling talent left.
Lack of talent doesn't have much to do with why we're getting shitty games (and especially lack of programming talent). We're getting exactly the products that the funders want. If publishers didn't want DEI infested trash, developers wouldn't be making it.
 

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I bet it'll be a scalpers paradise again with the dockworkers strike starting Monday. Prepare your buttholes.

I don't believe GPUs, consoles, etc will be impacted at all by east coast dock workers strike. They are shipped from Asia by air, not ship and go to the west coast for the tariff entry anyways. The tariff stuff on high end electronics mfgd in China anyways made Nvidia and others put together final assembly plants all over the world so they come around from all over.

Now cheap ass china shit and toys will definitely be hit by the strike, no endless stream of new funko pops for timmy

It seems difficult to launch a 5080/5090 this year anyways, 4080 was announced early Sep 2022 and released in Nov, we're already almost in october with no official announcements.
 

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I don't believe GPUs, consoles, etc will be impacted at all by east coast dock workers strike. They are shipped from Asia by air, not ship and go to the west coast for the tariff entry anyways. The tariff stuff on high end electronics mfgd in China anyways made Nvidia and others put together final assembly plants all over the world so they come around from all over.

Now cheap ass china shit and toys will definitely be hit by the strike, no endless stream of new funko pops for timmy

It seems difficult to launch a 5080/5090 this year anyways, 4080 was announced early Sep 2022 and released in Nov, we're already almost in october with no official announcements.
Talking about air cargo will probably get me to go on a super angry rant about things I can't talk about, but lets just say the whole thing is fucked on purpose, and you only know the icing on top of just how fucked it is.

The strike's goal probably isn't to stop anything. It's to choke things and make them more expensive. That will probably happen, even with video cards. Stop things coming one way, and suddenly there's more competition other ways.
 

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Lack of talent doesn't have much to do with why we're getting shitty games (and especially lack of programming talent). We're getting exactly the products that the funders want. If publishers didn't want DEI infested trash, developers wouldn't be making it.

I was talking about performance and degradation of optimization for the last five years. DEI is a double edged sword. You get shit titles and then on top of that you also get shit optimization. Meaning none of this extra power matters for Jack shit because it willl be poorly optimized.

DEI cuts both ways. Injection of woke bullshit. And on top of that, DEI hires in coding/programming where they have zero talent.

And no Mist Mist , pay has been stagnant for programmers and coders in the game industry for the last forty years. It isn’t a coincidence that DEI and now a plethora of shit optimization of games are tied to the hip for the last 5-7.
 

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I was talking about performance and degradation of optimization for the last five years.
Ah, no argument there then, but also, as long as everything is turning to DEI slop, it doesn't really matter does it? A few extra fps isn't going to turn it around for Concord.
 
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Everything is going to be running on the same game engine in like 5 years lmao

everything will be unreal
 
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Everything is going to be running on the same game engine in like 5 years lmao

everything will be unreal
Doubtful. Indie games will switch to other engines before Unreal if they still don't trust Unity's new management and polices (rolling back all the bullshit from a year ago and again guaranteeing a grandfather clause).

I play maybe one Unreal game a year and don't see that changing for the foreseeable future.
 

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Doubtful. Indie games will switch to other engines before Unreal if they still don't trust Unity's new management and polices (rolling back all the bullshit from a year ago and again guaranteeing a grandfather clause).

I play maybe one Unreal game a year and don't see that changing for the foreseeable future.
Unreal is not unity.

I switched from unity to unreal after that shit and it's a shame. Coding in unity is much more intuitive IMO. I hate blueprints in unreal.
 

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And no Mist Mist , pay has been stagnant for programmers and coders in the game industry for the last forty years.
Yes, but it hasn't been stagnant OUTSIDE of the games industry, where it keeps going up, particularly for the most in-demand skills.

Your other point is just stupid. Shit optimized games has nothing to do with DEI, and is a trend that goes back way further than DEI. Most Asian games run like frozen dogshit and they don't have DEI there. I'll believe that North American/European creative departments (art, writing, marketing) have a big case of woke, as is tradition, but your "logic" regarding coding is so far off base.

You are very, very dumb and I'm just going to put you back on mute.
 
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Mist

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Doubtful. Indie games will switch to other engines before Unreal if they still don't trust Unity's new management and polices (rolling back all the bullshit from a year ago and again guaranteeing a grandfather clause).

I play maybe one Unreal game a year and don't see that changing for the foreseeable future.
Unity is the source of most of the unoptimized dogshit feel of many modern titles. It's just not good.
 

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Yes, but it hasn't been stagnant OUTSIDE of the games industry, where it keeps going up, particularly for the most in-demand skills.

Your other point is just stupid. Shit optimized games has nothing to do with DEI, and is a trend that goes back way further than DEI. Most Asian games run like frozen dogshit and they don't have DEI there. I'll believe that North American/European creative departments (art, writing, marketing) have a big case of woke, as is tradition, but your "logic" regarding coding is so far off base.

You are very, very dumb and I'm just going to put you back on mute.
That's a disingenuous point. There are clearly series of games that have reduce in quality as they've acquired DEI bs. Anything Ubisoft, Bethesda, etc. I mean, it's really not arguable. Claiming is the same with asian games is silly, as that's a much more recent phenomenon which correlates with their late adoption of DEI. Like Concord. You know, the biggest flop in gaming history.

REALLY DISINGENUOUS point my friend. Almost intentional gaslighting.
 
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