Well no shit, that's what the kick-starter is for? It's not like millions upon millions of dollars get shat out of even publishers asses to make these things. If you want something niche, kick-starter is the only thing offering that type of service ATM for this industry.
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I'm OK with this being a dream in their head and this Kickstarter money being used to fund that dream. I'm not OK with them not understanding the type of transparency people are looking for, nor I'm OK with the lack of effort in the Kickstarter page.
Things I don't expect: video footage, screenshots galore, systems that may or may not be in the game like the weather stuff
Things I expect: A nicely presented Kickstarter page with nice graphical images for the tiers and stretch goals (lol at the font, particularly the $5m level), details on classes, concept art for a premiere dungeon or two, tiers that support the "$800,000 doesn't make a game) logic, tiers that are enticing, downloadable wallpapers, insight into the combat system, etc.
That last quote from the team hurts because there's still a lack of understanding on what is needed. I'm not trying to troll or foam at the mouth with negativity, that's my honest criticism. Their idea of how to run a Kickstarter is wrong.
If I believe my money will contribute to the dream in their head actually being realized, I'll feel comfortable contributing something more than I have. They simply aren't selling their product right now.
Things I don't expect: video footage, screenshots galore, systems that may or may not be in the game like the weather stuff
Things I expect: A nicely presented Kickstarter page with nice graphical images for the tiers and stretch goals (lol at the font, particularly the $5m level), details on classes, concept art for a premiere dungeon or two, tiers that support the "$800,000 doesn't make a game) logic, tiers that are enticing, downloadable wallpapers, insight into the combat system, etc.
That last quote from the team hurts because there's still a lack of understanding on what is needed. I'm not trying to troll or foam at the mouth with negativity, that's my honest criticism. Their idea of how to run a Kickstarter is wrong.
If I believe my money will contribute to the dream in their head actually being realized, I'll feel comfortable contributing something more than I have. They simply aren't selling their product right now.
You obviously didn't read the email from THEIR PR GUY that said that was all the information they have ....
Gotta admit I think a lot of people are in this boat, myself included. I really would like to step up to $250 or $375 but the more I see the more it is looking like I am going to be sticking at the $45 level. $45 is my "whatever, go go vision" amount. At $250+ I need some positive feeling about the project that I am simply not getting.
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that issue was remedied earlier today when their PR rep Ben stated that they already told us everything there is to tell and that anything to come is being generated on the fly.
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of course i didn't
there's been 1000 new posts in this thread in the last day
any useful information has been buried in all the bitching
Ok.. let's move forward.
1. Let's figure out what we are talking about. If we are talking about the game, let's talk about the game. Classes, races, combat, dungeons, etc. If you're having work so hard to get out information relevant to these points, and yes, I feel that it has been rushed, you started your own timer when you opened the KS.
And I say let the timer run, let things fall into place. Ever been rushed in a critical moment? I'll take quality over impatience any-day.
2. Get the community more involved. To avoid Dark Knight issues, have your team pick a list of names, ask what we would like to see, and make it so. If a name doesn't matter, then why maintain the control and assume all the risk?
Not sure if I like Dark Knight either, but the name is different than any other game. Dark Knight is a phrase coined long before the whole Bat-Man thing too, just seems like another thing for people to bitch about. It is symantical to worry more about the name at this point, more so than how the class will actually play.
3. Be very specific. Lore week is a good idea in essence but bad timing. I care about lore but not right now. However, I like how you have went specific. I know what to expect this week and that keeps the information hungry people at bay. Knowing is so much better thanspeculatingwhat we'll see next. It sucks that it will be lore this week but maybe you need the week to get other things ready.
You said it right there, that's what a lot of people do: Speculate. To the point of mashing what's good about something to fucking pieces. Kinda like a bunch of over emotional soccer moms.
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I wouldn't say "discouraging" - more like "aspirational" that is the template Brad and co should have been aiming for. We would've been discussing what stretch goal they'd reach not whether they'd get funded.
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Don't see the relevance in comparing this to Kingdom Come. Obviously Kingdom Come has been handled much better, but it's also quite obvious that they have been working on it for quite a bit longer. They also said they received $1.5 Million in funding previously, which if I understand correctly, is a fucking shit load of money in the Czech Republic, where even really well paid people probably aren't making $30k per annum.
The Kickstarter may have come out of nowhere, but the game's existence has been known for a while. They just had their ducks in a row before they went to Kickstarter. Having a massive private investment to get things started definitely helps in that area.
The Kickstarter may have come out of nowhere, but the game's existence has been known for a while. They just had their ducks in a row before they went to Kickstarter. Having a massive private investment to get things started definitely helps in that area.
The problem with a poor kickstarter, is that all the good will and articles on PC Gamer - people will click the link and see the Kickstarter page, and be underwhelmed. They won't donate and therefore won't spread the word.
Crowd-funded expectations are higher and a little bit of research would have shown this... and Pantheon's KS should have been delayed until there was more to show, and perhaps someone media savvy enough to polish it.
There are many people out there that are not members of forums, but did play EQ1 and have fond memories, and the opportunity to reach them is being squandered.
Crowd-funded expectations are higher and a little bit of research would have shown this... and Pantheon's KS should have been delayed until there was more to show, and perhaps someone media savvy enough to polish it.
There are many people out there that are not members of forums, but did play EQ1 and have fond memories, and the opportunity to reach them is being squandered.
To avoid being annoying (I've already voiced my concerns a few times) I'll just say that I'm genuinely not trying to be negative. I've voiced my opinion as clear as I can and from here on out I'll just wait and see what happens. My pledge still stands, I've just got some major concerns.
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Man come the fuck off it, Muligan summed up pretty well some of the glaring issues with this project, and I hate to break it to you but we didn't hold a gun to their head and make them launch this Kickstarter. Nor is it our responsibility to fix it. Still we have tried to offer suggestions to fix it, you might enjoy paying for the privilege to work on this project for them but I doubt so many people are willing to climb aboard the same boat and continue blowing smoke up everyone's asses.
We have done the only thing we can do as a community, which is discuss the merits of this "game". I say "game" because there is no fucking game and you know it. What we have is a group of unemployed has-beens asking for cash to found a company which will then ask for money to make a game. In spite of all of that there has been page after page of constructive criticism, sure there has been a fair bit of hyperbole and sarcasm sprinkled in but it's the fucking internet what do you expect.
Brad McQuaid is the George Lucas of MMO's, in a galaxy far far away this mother fucker got lucky and had a bright enough team surrounding him that he became successful in spite of himself. Everything he has touched since this has been a mere shadow of his glory, and reveal him for the fraud he is.
No, labeling yourself "oldschool" is not good enough and it shouldn't be good enough to get people to give you money.
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Let's just put it like this then. Nothing they have put out, whether it be the lore, classes, screenshots, map of the dungeon, etc., gives me any indication this is a game that's going to be very much like Everquest. You could say this game is going to be a hard core version of Rift or WoW or anything like that and it would be the same thing. I'm not the only one that thinks like this.