Path of Exile

Standard is what I recommended to my friend who wanted what you mentioned about playing for an hour. People theorycraft builds and put beginner guides you can follow very easily with gear, skills, and tree links. The only downside to standard is you dont get the current race features like meaner nameds or the boxes etc. You still get the crafting guys coming and all of the other stuff.

If you do decide on standard all of us here can help with pretty much any gear that isnt insane.

Not me, I delete all my standard characters out of spite, I have tons of regular HC shit that goes unused though.

New master just revealed on MMORPG.com and also Rampage League info --

Built entirely around the notion of maintaining a kill-streak Rampage League players will grow faster in attacks, faster in movement, and stronger as they keep their Rampage alive. You'll have 5 seconds between kills to keep it going, and as you hit the many tiers of Rampage, different effects can be triggered. One that Chris mentioned were Novas: these can stun all enemies, explode all enemies, or even summon spirit weapons to defend you. But one o Chris' favorites is the Cyclone at kill-streak 325. If you manage to keep the streak alive for that many enemies, all nearby corpses will explode, creating a cacophony of gore that's just a sight to behold.

It's also worth noting that there will be no penalty to loot in this mode, so just because you're killing faster and killing more enemies, doesn't mean GGG will cut down your item drops. In fact, it stands to reason you'll get even more loot for keeping your Rampage alive as long as possible. Chris mentioned that as always, these Challenge leagues are a way to test ideas that could potentially be permanently added to the game later. And considering how fun Rampage has proven internally, I'd be willing to bet that it sticks around long after its time has come and gone.

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I'm a little disappointed in the rampage league info. It just seems kind of meh, doesn't add any content or change gameplay, it's just some random dps boosts if you go on a kill streak? Wheres the actual content like rogue exiles, cartographer boxes, etc. Maybe there's more to it not announced yet.

Yeah, I kinda feel the same way Sinzar. Also, killstreak sounds like it biases stuff towards certain builds also. Builds are going to be all about maintaining that.

yeah. my thoughts as well on rampage.

Multi-Flicker seems godly for rampage league.

Well, any of the quick-kill builds will seem to benefit already and the slower more defensive builds will get less benefit. Seems like it is going to throw off build balance by quite a bit.

Hopefully more details will come out on it, but I'm not thrilled atm.

Eh, I'm not a fan of standard leagues as it is, I'll likely just do it to complete some challenges and hop back on Beyond League.

Wonder of Rampage is an endless map like endless ledge?

Haha, I remember on day 2/3 of Invasion league I was jealous as fuck of the strongboxes people kept screenshotting and putting up on reddit. I got assrape OP bosses that could 1 shot me from off-screen and they got loot pinatas.

Ambush got all the softcore players conditioned to expect loot showers on the reg and a free handjob (cartographers) every so often. They won't be happy with simply playing the fucking game (rampage) now.

I hope the rabbling doesn't distract people from realizing that the Master's system is the best innovation we've seen in this genre for years.

Zaphid_sl said:

I really want to love this game, but the polish keeps putting me off. If I want to just butcher some demons, I launch D3 and just roll around for an hour. If I want to play PoE, I need to look up a build, figure out which league I'm going to play, think whether I'll stick around long enough to maybe run the race starting in an hour, look up where to get the key skills... Not to mention the desync issues and the "feel". I'll see if I can make it at least to lvl 40 when the new season starts.

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Level 40 is still considered pretty weak in terms of character progression. Consider just taking a well-respected pro build and playing it to ~70 to see how a finely tuned build hums. The game starts off feeling shitty because level 1 characters are slow and attack slow...

Eidal_sl said:

Ambush got all the softcore players conditioned to expect loot showers on the reg and a free handjob (cartographers) every so often. They won't be happy with simply playing the fucking game (rampage) now.

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This is a gross mischaracterization of what we are talking about. I don't necessarily want loot pinatas (outside of cartographers boxes, because not being able sustain maps is retarded), but Rampage seems like it is a mechanic that will fuck up build balance. Also, will be annoying if I have to drop my killstreak to loot, open a box, etc.

Eidal_sl said:

the Master's system is the best innovation we've seen in this genre for years.

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I don't know about the best innovation in the genre in years, but it does sound pretty awesome.

khalid_sl said:

This is a gross mischaracterization of what we are talking about. I don't necessarily want loot pinatas (outside of cartographers boxes, because not being able sustain maps is retarded), but Rampage seems like it is a mechanic that will fuck up build balance. Also, will be annoying if I have to drop my killstreak to loot, open a box, etc.

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I know, I was being a bit cheeky -- I'd be a little bummed about Rampage too but it obviously its not going to be a nerf, it can only help you. They can't tune content to the assumption you're running high Rampage stacks -- otherwise Beyond league would be unplayable. EDIT: I wonder if the general consensus would change if GGG revealed that you get a substantial boost to IIR/IIQ as your Rampage meter increases. That would make sense considering the increased risk/stress you take by mowing through packs fast.

With reference to innovation, I think this is the first time I've seen a successful/interesting combination of RNG and deterministic loot influx to a hack/slash game. Vet PoE players that traded really have no idea how big this is for self-found players. A self-found guy (in the past) could spend weeks looking for something that a trader will just snap up off poe.xys.is. ("Hmm, build needs 40mana/s to be stable with the level of AA I need, no biggy, I'll just trade for an hour and get what I need.") From what I've seen, there are a lot of people who are willing to do that but dislike it.

So, depending on how you play PoE, your perspective of being able to add specific modifiers to your gear is going to differ. I've always been a trader and I enjoyed doing it, so there wasn't anything in PoE that I felt was off-limits to me. Not true for a lot of people, and with the masters system, that will likely change.

Zombie builds kill insane wise for AE too they will rape with that

I don't know about masters making trading suddenly not matter as much. They said it was 1,500 fusings to make a 6 link? I've been playing PoE off and on since it's early beta, something like 2 years now? and I think I've maybe collected 300 fusings in that time. Collecting 1,500 fusings is a laughably retarded amount to self-find. So if you're forced to trade for days to gather up 1,500 fusings, why not just trade for the 6 link item anyway. The numbers released so far need a serious adjustment to really help out the non-trading solo player, else it's just a convenience for the already rich.

Honestly its MUCH cheaper by a very large amount on the normal build uniques in the current meta and way cheaper than the high end ones go for 6L. For example if we go at the normal current league rates we can baseline the conversion rate at:: 60F=1EX and then upconvert into 1500/60=25 EX. Right now Lacquered Garbs, Carcass Jack's, & Lightning Coils that are 6L'd run 35exish, if we go to the higher end of the spectrums into lets say ES they can go up to 100ex for yellows or Shavronne's at 85ex even.

What we might see though is a new conversion rate for fusings since its designed by the economy where they are 1:1 C

We dont know wtf is coming in all honesty, is ES going to be way cheaper now with new mods and tree? Is Crit raped? Are fusing or any other drops being adjusted? There is new orb crafting coming also, who knows what the hell that is?

That feel when 8 jewlers is 2c at that conversion rate.

I wonder if they'll change the 4 jewl - 1 fuse vendor rate if fuses become super popular.

Sinzar_sl said:

I don't know about masters making trading suddenly not matter as much. They said it was 1,500 fusings to make a 6 link? I've been playing PoE off and on since it's early beta, something like 2 years now? and I think I've maybe collected 300 fusings in that time. Collecting 1,500 fusings is a laughably retarded amount to self-find. So if you're forced to trade for days to gather up 1,500 fusings, why not just trade for the 6 link item anyway. The numbers released so far need a serious adjustment to really help out the non-trading solo player, else it's just a convenience for the already rich.

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It sounds like you aren't aware of the vendor recipes/conversion?

You can farm up mad Orbs of Fusing simply by trucking all rare items back to town. Vendor them for Orbs of Alteration. Orbs of Alt convert to Jeweler's Orbs at 2:1, and Jeweler's Orbs convert to Fusing at 4:1. So, 8 alts --> 1 fusing. Simply by dropping off shit rares in town. But wait, this isn't all you'll do -- you will also use a stash tab to stash shitty rare rings/necklaces/belts and periodically you'll vendor a full set for the 1 chaos orb recipe.

I'm not sure what a 100 percent self-found player does about Wisdom scrolls... without Portal that sounds like a bottleneck. I guess utilize waypoints. Bouncing back and forth between Ledge or some shit. Whatever -- playing exclusively self-found isn't supposed to be AS good as someone who does smart trades... and it isn't. But Master's are definitely decreasing that gap.