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That being said, things like national governments don't have the luxury of treating everyone as an individual so we should probably just make being black illegal to secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.
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Tuco
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72" is not attainable by humans, ~45" is pretty much the softcap.
But your point is very true. However there are some strong genetics at play with someone's max vert. I picked it because unlike say, the 40yd dash or benchpress someone in 'good' shape will not improve their vertical leap that much if they achieved their physical peak.
If you had a way to grossly estimate the fast-twitch muscle density of an individual to the point where you could predict with a medium level of certainty what their vertical leap would be at peak physical condition, you'd have something very interesting.
hodj
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I don't seriously think I (or anyone) can jump six feet, I was just making a general example.
I would disagree that max vertical jump height is heavily genetically dependent, but I'm open to evidence to the contrary.
In about two seconds of google I found this (just for shits and giggles, I don't claim this citation is giving remotely a full picture of the situation)
Prediction of Vertical Jump Height from Anthropometric Factors in Male and Female Martial Arts Athletes
The military would love, I'm sure, to get its hands on that sort of thing.
I would disagree that max vertical jump height is heavily genetically dependent, but I'm open to evidence to the contrary.
In about two seconds of google I found this (just for shits and giggles, I don't claim this citation is giving remotely a full picture of the situation)
Prediction of Vertical Jump Height from Anthropometric Factors in Male and Female Martial Arts Athletes
But I agree, if we had ways to measure (any) phenotypes with a high level of precision based on genetic data, the person who invents that methodology will be a billionaire in a very very short period of time, and the implications are profound for all sorts of arenas, including sports, but certainly not limited to just sports.
The military would love, I'm sure, to get its hands on that sort of thing.
Sylverlokk
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So Hodj in simple terms what your saying is there are no races, only the Human race with minor variations due to local effects and DNA's plasticity? If so that makes sense to me.
Edit: Guess I should have moved on to the next page where you explicitly showed pictures from the book that says basically that. Ugh.
Edit: Guess I should have moved on to the next page where you explicitly showed pictures from the book that says basically that. Ugh.
hodj
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When we're looking at it from a materialist and biological standpoint, yes, pretty much exactly that.
As a sociological and cultural phenomena, race certainly exists as a powerful myth. In that way its comparable to religious beliefs in some ways, and in fact, the concept of races began in part as an offshoot of European religious beliefs, which was another part of my paper on the subject of race, and that others have tackled directly as well. In this book
Anthropology of Race: Genes, Biology, and Culture (School for Advanced Research Advanced Seminar Series): John Hartigan, Ron Eglash, Clarence C. Gravlee, Linda M. Hunt, Christopher W. Kuzawa, Jeffrey C. Long, Pamela L. Sankar, Sandra Soo-Jin Lee, Zaneta M. Thayer, Nicole Truesdell: 9781934691991: Amazon.com: Books
There's a really good chapter titled "Racial Concepts in Genetics Research" that gives a very in depth overview of how certain Christian views of the origins of the world continue to perpetuate themselves, even in research paradigms in genetics (Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam are two quick and handy examples of how even the imagery of these myths continue to influence genetics research in the modern age) that really digs into the mythological foundations of race concepts in European/Western culture.
Of course, Europeans have exported the concept, and these sorts of taxonomic mythologies have perpetuated globally now. The Rwandan Genocide between Hutus and Tutsis is an example of how folk taxonomies (to use the term found in Fish's book) catch on and are then used to justify conflicts and such elsewhere around the globe. The Tutsis, according to one theory, are supposedly migrants to the region from the Horn of Africa. This theory is promoted mostly by people who believe in the Hamitic theory (literally from the Biblical Ham, son of Noah who saw his nakedness and was cursed) and therefore believe that the Tutsis are foreigners in Rwanda, thus "justifying" their extermination during the Civil War in that nation. Hamitic theory basically says that "Black Europeans" migrated into the interior of Africa, conquered the peoples found there, and introduced civilization.
Genetic evidence seems to indicate the Tutsis are 3 times more related genetically to populations in the Nilo-Saharan region than the Hutus, which are known to be descendents of the Bantu agriculturalists in the region! Further, the Tutsis are demonstrated to have little to no direct relation to North Eastern Africa in the paternal lineage. Ultimately, gene flow between the two populations over time means that they're genetically related quite strongly, regardless their origins. Genetically speaking, they both share very strong linkages with other local Bantu populations.
While conflict between these two groups probably has roots in the pre Colonial era, the Hamitic theory of the European colonizers was used to justify divisions between Hutu and Tutsi along economic and racial lines, which led to further entrenchment of that conflict, as the Hutus, if I remember correctly, were subjugated during this time to the Tutsis. So once the European colonizers picked up and left (If I remember correctly they were German), these social divisions flared, and that's pretty much how you got the Rwandan genocide.
Oh I just remembered, another really good, very recent, book on Race Mythology is Robert Wald Sussman's "The Myth of Race" which also includes a very in depth break down of the European Christian origins of most race mythology.
That's probably the most accessible title to the layman on the subject
The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea: Robert Wald Sussman: 9780674417311: Amazon.com: Books
hodj
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I actually thought that was the case but wasn't able to confirm it when I was writing the post and making sure I was getting the information correct, so I left it out. Thanks for that reminder.
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I've just read several of the past pages on blacks being athletic and come to the conclusion that we are thinking to narrowly. There are more factors that go into picking a basketball player then just athletic skill and there are even more factors that determine someone 20 something athletic skill then race.
Pro sports is about making money and blacks spend money on sports but not only blacks but whites and other races also. It's partly a popularity contest.
Athletically speaking most blacks from the past generations had fewer forms of entertainment outside of physical activities. There is simply no way this doesn't lead to advanced athletic skill when they get older. A community driven by physical activity is as much a factor in creating great athletes as a society driven on education is to creating smart children (Asians).
Pro sports is about making money and blacks spend money on sports but not only blacks but whites and other races also. It's partly a popularity contest.
Athletically speaking most blacks from the past generations had fewer forms of entertainment outside of physical activities. There is simply no way this doesn't lead to advanced athletic skill when they get older. A community driven by physical activity is as much a factor in creating great athletes as a society driven on education is to creating smart children (Asians).
Phazael
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I guess this is only tangentially related, but I am interested in reading up on tribalism and its affect on culture, mostly to sharpen my arguments with both the tea baggers and SJWs in my life. Any recommendations for good reads on that subject?
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hodj
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Start by googling topics like in group/out group bias, theres like 30 million hits on the topic straight out, including academic sources, wikipedia, etc.
in group out group bias - Google Search
Tarrant
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So I still talk to SJW guy, who inspired the creation of this thread. He got mad at me today because I disagreed with him that there's no such thing as racism against white people. In response I posted a picture on his timeline and we started talking about it until again, he ran away from it when I felt I was making a valid point.
Am I wrong here? I ask because I'm always trying to better my own understanding as well.
Am I wrong here? I ask because I'm always trying to better my own understanding as well.
Hoss
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In this age of self identifying, there's no reason for anyone to not enjoy "white privilege". If they don't it's basically self flagellation. I recently started calling myself white. I expect to be called into my boss's office soon and either get a raise, or get fired since I no longer qualify as a token.