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Cad

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I honestly don't get this argument at all. I don't think anyone is in favor of climate change and warming the earth and shit, we as a species have teraformed the planet and will continue to do so no matter what is thrown at us. We sadly will wait till many people start to die but we will do it.
Hodj's argument is that once people start to die due to climate change, some global apocalypse will happen and we'll all suddenly die before any of our industry or technology can make any changes to allow us to survive. To a man, we will all die. No survivors.
 

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[citation required]

Also, I didn't mention any technologies, because what we would need to ensure humanity survived in Northern Nunavut after 35% of the planet's life died off doesn't exist yet.
This is incorrect. Arizona has many different sources of water. Too bad we don't have the tech to turn salt water into fresh water and pump it long distances if things got really bad. Also would help if we could some how harness the sun to power these plants if needed or maybe work on that whole nuclear thing we never got around to. We are doomed.
Are you fucking stupid hodj? Seriously?

Desalinization = invented

Water pipelines and pumps = invented

Solar power = invented

Nuclear power = invented

Do you need pictures? Wtf is wrong with you?
 

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5 degree change would severely compromise a huge portion of the world's population.

If there was a 10 degree increase we'd all be completely fucked.
 

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Hodj's argument is that once people start to die due to climate change, some global apocalypse will happen and we'll all suddenly die before any of our industry or technology can make any changes to allow us to survive. To a man, we will all die. No survivors.
My argument is that once ecological systems collapse as a result of climate change, humans will die off in large numbers, and industry and technology won't be sustainable in such a situation.

Particularly in relation to YOUR CLAIM of a 5 to 10 degree TEMPERATURE INCREASE, which you claimed wouldn't be a big deal, in contravention to literally every major climatologist and biologist on the planet who don't believe that two of every animal were hauled around in a giant boat for 40 days and 40 nights 3000 years ago.
 

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Are you fucking stupid hodj? Seriously?

Desalinization = invented

Water pipelines and pumps = invented

Solar power = invented

Nuclear power = invented

Do you need pictures? Wtf is wrong with you?
None of that is what we would need to survive a 35% collapse in all life forms on this planet.

This post you've made EXPLICITLY DEMONSTRATES THE MYSTICAL THINKING YOU ARE ENGAGING IN in regards to this issue.

If you think desalizing water and firing up the nuclear reactors is going to allow us to magically grow crops that can't even be pollinated in terrain that has been frozen solid for several tens of millions of years, well, that's just about the closest thing to the dictionary definition of retarded I can think of.

Never said that
Sure, but you said it is asinine to think that a 10 degree climate increase as a result of anthropogenic climate change wouldn't lead to our extinction.

Can you please cite us any scientists on this planet who think a 10 degree climate increase related to anthropogenic climate change wouldn't lead to our extinction, yes or no?
 

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None of that is what we would need to survive a 35% collapse in all life forms on this planet.

This post you've made EXPLICITLY DEMONSTRATES THE MYSTICAL THINKING YOU ARE ENGAGING IN in regards to this issue.

If you think desalizing water and firing up the nuclear reactors is going to allow us to magically grow crops that can't even be pollinated in terrain that has been frozen solid for several tens of millions of years, well, that's just about the closest thing to the dictionary definition of retarded I can think of.
All it demonstrates is that you don't read posts. I said everything IN HIS POST had already been invented. You said "citation needed"

Try reading, shit for brains.
 

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Hodj, pop a xanax, pack a bowl and pat yourself on the back for how well your forum war went today. You did well bro.
 

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All it demonstrates is that you don't read posts. I said everything IN HIS POST had already been invented.
And by his post, are you referring to MY POST which DIDN'T include any named inventions? Because the only other HE you could be referencing was YOURSELF, since that post you quoted by me was replying to YOU, and in NEITHER OF THOSE POSTS was ANY specific technology referenced.


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Lol.

What are you even talking about at this point?
 

Cad

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And by his post, are you referring to MY POST which DIDN'T include any named inventions? Because the only other HE you could be referencing was YOURSELF, since that post you quoted by me was replying to YOU, and in NEITHER OF THOSE POSTS was ANY specific technology referenced.


Lol.

What are you even talking about at this point?
Try looking at the post I was quoting. Go ahead, I'll wait.
 

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Try looking at the post I was quoting. Go ahead, I'll wait.
I'm looking at it. I included a picture of both posts for a reason. You cited...my post.

You....realize that right?

Also

Can you please cite us any scientists on this planet who think a 10 degree climate increase related to anthropogenic climate change wouldn't lead to our extinction, yes or no?
 

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Also in my post, I was mocking you saying tech won't save us. You said, TECH ISNT INVENTED YET but the tech I was referring to in my post HAS ALREADY BEEN INVENTED.

You're so dumb hodj. Jesus christ.
 

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Please, cite us the part of her book where she says human being will survive a 10 degree climate change increase

A degree by degree explanation of what will happen when the earth warms

BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX DEGREES OF WARMING

Although warming on this scale lies within the IPCC's officially endorsed range of 21st-century possibilities, climate models have little to say about what Lynas, echoing Dante, describes as "the Sixth Circle of Hell".To see the most recent climatic lookalike, we have to turn the geological clock back between 144m and 65m years, to the Cretaceous, which ended with the extinction of the dinosaurs. There was an even closer fit at the end of the Permian, 251m years ago, when global temperatures rose by - yes - six degrees, and95% of species were wiped out.

That episode was the worst ever endured by life on Earth, the closest the planet has come to ending up a dead and desolate rock in space." On land, the only winners were fungi that flourished on dying trees and shrubs. At sea there were only losers. Warm water is a killer. Less oxygen can dissolve, so conditions become stagnant and anoxic. Oxygen-breathing water-dwellers - all the higher forms of life from plankton to sharks - face suffocation. Warm water also expands, and sea levels rose by 20 metres." The resulting "super-hurricanes" hitting the coasts would have triggered flash floods that no living thing could have survived.

There are aspects of the so-called "end-Permian extinction" that are unlikely to recur - most importantly, the vast volcanic eruption in Siberia that spread magma hundreds of metres thick over an area bigger than western Europe and shot billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. That is small comfort, however, for beneath the oceans, another monster stirred - the same that would bring a devastating end to the Palaeocene nearly 200m years later, and that still lies in wait today. Methane hydrate.

What happens when warming water releases pent-up gas from the sea bed: First, a small disturbance drives a gas-saturated parcel of water upwards. As it rises, bubbles begin to appear, as dissolved gas fizzles out with reducing pressure - just as a bottle of lemonade overflows if the top is taken off too quickly. These bubbles make the parcel of water still more buoyant, accelerating its rise through the water. As it surges upwards, reaching explosive force, it drags surrounding water up with it. At the surface, water is shot hundreds of metres into the air as the released gas blasts into the atmosphere. Shockwaves propagate outwards in all directions, triggering more eruptions nearby.

The eruption is more than just another positive feedback in the quickening process of global warming. Unlike CO2, methane is flammable. Even in air-methane concentrations as low as 5%, the mixture could ignite from lightning or some other spark and send fireballs tearing across the sky. The effect would be much like that of the fuel-air explosives used by the US and Russian armies - so-called "vacuum bombs" that ignite fuel droplets above a target. According to the CIA, those near the ignition point are obliterated.Those at the fringes are likely to suffer many internal injuries, including burst eardrums, severe concussion, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness." Such tactical weapons, however, are squibs when set against methane-air clouds from oceanic eruptions. Scientists calculate that they could "destroy terrestrial life almost entirely (251m years ago, only one large land animal, the pig-like lystrosaurus, survived). It has been estimated that a large eruption in future could release energy equivalent to 108 megatonnes of TNT - 100,000 times more than the world's entire stockpile of nuclear weapons. Not even Lynas, for all his scientific propriety, can avoid the Hollywood ending. "It is not too difficult to imagine the ultimate nightmare, with oceanic methane eruptions near large population centres wiping out billions of people - perhaps in days. Imagine a 'fuel-air explosive' fireball racing towards a city - London, say, or Tokyo - the blast wave spreading out from the explosive centre with the speed and force of an atomic bomb. Buildings are flattened, people are incinerated where they stand, or left blind and deaf by the force of the explosion. Mix Hiroshima with post-Katrina New Orleans to get some idea of what such a catastrophe might look like: burnt survivors battling over food, wandering far and wide from empty cities.

Then would come hydrogen sulphide from the stagnant oceans. "It would be a silent killer: imagine the scene at Bhopal following the Union Carbide gas release in 1984, replayed first at coastal settlements, then continental interiors across the world. At the same time, as the ozone layer came under assault, we would feel the sun's rays burning into our skin, and the first cell mutations would be triggering outbreaks of cancer among anyone who survived. Dante's hell was a place of judgment, where humanity was for ever punished for its sins. With all the remaining forests burning, and the corpses of people, livestock and wildlife piling up in every continent, the six-degree world would be a harsh penalty indeed for the mundane crime of burning fossil energy.
No one even bothers PROJECTING what a 10 degree global climate increase in a few hundred years would look like, BECAUSE ITS POINTLESS BECAUSE EVERYTHING WOULD BE DEAD.

Also in my post, I was mocking you saying tech won't save us. You said, TECH ISNT INVENTED YET but the tech I was referring to in my post HAS ALREADY BEEN INVENTED.
LOL GUYS WE CAN PREVENT EXTINCTION WHEN THE OCEANS ARE STAGNANT AND EJECTING HYDROGEN SULFIDE BY USING SOLAR POWER AND WATER DESALINIZATION.

No, Cad, it is you who are so fucking stupid you literally are just talking out of your fucking ass. 5 to 10 degree increases in a few hundred years would reduce this planet to Venus status. Got it yet dipshit?
 

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So, Cad, once you've read that, do you have any cogent rebuttal to the actual science, from actual scientists, that say that a 5 plus degree increase in global temperatures won't lead to a total environmental meltdown on a global scale, yes or no?
 

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Also in my post, I was mocking you saying tech won't save us. You said, TECH ISNT INVENTED YET but the tech I was referring to in my post HAS ALREADY BEEN INVENTED.

You're so dumb hodj. Jesus christ.
LOL. I thought it was obvious what tech I was refering to. I need to fucking citation things that turn saltwater into fresh? Well at least you understood my cryptic writings.
 

Cad

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I think I've said over and over, dumbfuck, that anything on that scale that essentially scours the earth of life, will also get us. You've latched on to this 10 degree nonsense as if I ever said it. You came up with that yourself and have now convinced yourself that its my position.
 

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I think I've said over and over, dumbfuck, that anything on that scale that essentially scours the earth of life, will also get us.
And yet you declared that we could survive a 5 to 10 degree climate temperature increase, and that was your original claim, and the claim I've been rebutting and trying to explain to you this entire time is retarded as fuck, for this exact reason.

So you admit that your claim that a 5 to 10 degree climate increase would be a fatal situation for human life, yes?

So I rest my case. I was right, you were wrong, and you are now forced to admit it. You've tried to goal post shift down to 2 degrees, claiming I said a 2 degree change would lead to extinction, which I never did, and if you'd like to cite where I said a 2 degree increase woul definitely lead to extinction, please, by all means, do so. Because I never claimed that. I claimed that is the accepted threshold beyond which thar be dragons we cannot predict, and the further past that we go, the more untenable our life becomes.
 

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So, Cad, once you've read that, do you have any cogent rebuttal to the actual science, from actual scientists, that say that a 5 plus degree increase in global temperatures won't lead to a total environmental meltdown on a global scale, yes or no?
I never gave any specific degrees that we could survive in any way. I said as long as there is animal and plant life, we will be there too, because nothing can out-compete us. You've COMPLETELY hodj'd this into some bullshit where I'm supposedly saying we can use nuclear desalinization to survive a 10 degree climate swing. I have no fucking idea what degrees will do what, and you know what? Neither do these fucking idiots. But I can tell you that humans will be among the last to go, due to our technology.

Your rainman levels of stupidity don't change what my position has been the whole time, no matter how many times you try to hodj the argument into something you can slam-dunk.