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Yea, but what would you recover even if they were liable at that point? They will clearly piss away every dollar.
Star Citizen Online - The search for more money
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Oh noes I lost $100 from buying the Cutlass. Anyway, fraud would lead to criminal liability as well.
Even the people that bought capital ships are not going to cause other companies to go under if they don't get the game. Point being the societal risk associated with crowdfunding is minimal as opposed to the risk inherent in VC firms.
Waving your hands at anecdotes may be fun and factual but for making a point it remains gratuitous nonsense. At some point are you going to discuss something other than halfassed economic supply side wishcasting and theorycrafting and actually discuss the company and its policies, revenue streams and the like?
I mean its fun and all to pretend Roberts is snorting barbiturates like McQuaid and half of KY or throwing cocaine hooker parties on RI's dime like Shilling but do you have any real basis for your predictions?
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You could probably reply to a_skeleton_03 with this bit of text anytime he gets into argument mode no matter the topic.
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I have argued for the right of people who got in early on this Kickstarter to get a refund. Do you think they have a right to that considering the change of scope of the project?
Also, you have provided just about Jack and Shit regarding "facts".
Fact, the game is not out and is 2+ years past deadline stated in Kickstarter.
Fact, CGI/RSI promised to show financials in "the unlikely case the game is not released within 12 months of the estimated release date" later changed to 18 months, later removed completely.
Fact, the game now being developed is very vaguely close to anything described in the Kickstarter.
Fact, the current beta/alpha/pre-alpha/made-up-state is nothing near what a proper alpha of a game should be.
Fact, the game currently has very very few of any of the 100+ systems claimed to be availible in the release.
Fact, ships SOLD now will not be in the game at release, as told by Ben Lesnick master of ships, yet they continue to sell new concepts.
Any "facts" that you want to add?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1998968794
I am not sure who is the author of this spreadsheet. I can appreciate that as complex a game as SC, it is a herculean task to try and find out what is going on and track it.
Roberts spoke recently about how difficult it was to keep everyone informed due to the number and complexity of the projects being worked on, even within the company. He also admitted that in his excitement over the success of their crowdfunding efforts that he had not made it clear enough that each added module pushed back completion and release dates.
There are all sorts of technical and delivery issues as they try and decide whether it is much cheaper and more efficient to add certain features as the game is being made, or focus more on completing what they have now and adding modules later, while trying to meet customer expectations. He said figuring all that out is his most difficult challenge.
I am not sure who is the author of this spreadsheet. I can appreciate that as complex a game as SC, it is a herculean task to try and find out what is going on and track it.
Roberts spoke recently about how difficult it was to keep everyone informed due to the number and complexity of the projects being worked on, even within the company. He also admitted that in his excitement over the success of their crowdfunding efforts that he had not made it clear enough that each added module pushed back completion and release dates.
There are all sorts of technical and delivery issues as they try and decide whether it is much cheaper and more efficient to add certain features as the game is being made, or focus more on completing what they have now and adding modules later, while trying to meet customer expectations. He said figuring all that out is his most difficult challenge.
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Too lazy to go dig up sources but didn't Roberts spend a sizable sum on some film production distraction?
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Sure why not. I'll humor this train wreck of a thread one last time.
My comments under yours in bold.
Half of those are not factual but instead variations of the 'real scotsman' argument.
They've already determined what ships they are going to use in the squadron 42 game and so yes new ships will not be in that game. They are also working on the MMO and that will have those ships by all accounts.
You complain about them continuing to sell ships but seeing that they have sold 400k ships in the last 8 months I don't see them running out of money anytime soon. While the business model has you guys wringing your hands on the unknown it has allowed them do things that would have been nixxed as largesse for other games. No way on earth would have a typical VCO permitted their tearing up their engine and integrating multiple engines like they did last fall.
AAA titles get released with fundamental issues routinely because VC firms without technical knowledge start whinging for a return on their investment. As a Cutlass owner who despises Lesnick with a passion I get this game is hardly all roses but the ideological economic theorycrafting and fear mongering seems dramatically without basis.
Well youre all over the place so I guess you have a point here. You remind me of politicians who make comments that all lead to a particular conclusion --in this case the economic inviability of CSI's business model-- only to disavow said conclusion when asked point blank.
Yeah why prove something when you can go straight to innuendo and pass it off anyway, right?
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Check out the video I linked above to their comment. I made it clicky. Chris goes into some detail on what's happening with the engine. If you don't have time TLDR is the German crew that built CryEngine, or some of them, have been quietly rebuilding the entire guts of CryEngine basically re-writing how the engine fundamentally works. 2.4, current version, has maxed out the current engine implementation (causing FPS drops) so they literally can't add anything more to the game until they drop some of those changes in. Small changes will go in with 2.5 and 2.6 as a result. 2.7 is where the full star system gets implemented. This finally explains why we don't have star systems. How CryEngine handles items makes it impossible to implement due to the engine forcing every single item to talk to one another and forcing the client to acknowledge it happened. That's insane at the scale they are doing this in. All that gets completely ripped out in 2.7 and replaced.
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So they're 'quietly' rewriting the entire engine like 3.5 years into development and that's a good sign?
Lol
That's old news that he talked about in merging the physics system from FPS, pilot, EVA, and planet systems. They had that demonstration where they had someone go from EVA to piloting a ship to a planet going down to the planet's surface and getting out of said ship. This as opposed to loading a new system when you would board a ship as you may recall from before.
It led to them delaying indefinitely star marine which people had kittens about. my point about that is that your typical MMO VCO would not have allowed that and it has caused other titles to fail. For example, WHO had some fundamental problems with their engines netcode and it caused the game to be unplayable with their endgame mechanics. They were not allowed to fix it and instead shoved out that unfinished product.
My handle was Pimpbot 3000 over on the FOH board and how about you argue points as opposed to whinging about my opinions en masse? At least when I call what you ilk is doing fearmongering I have a basis for it.