Star Wars : Rogue One
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Unintentional shitpost. And yeah, saying subtle and Star Wars was misspoken. I was more referring to movies in general, but even in Star Wars, they didn't have people staring at the camera preaching at you. Yes, it was blatantly obvious that the empire was evil far and away. It blew up planets, was racist. Choked motherfuckers to death all the time and no one blinked. I guess you could say Yoda yammered on about how evil it was, but that was more the dark side but whatever.
I just felt like now they have to have people talk about how evil and bad everything is, just in case the audience doesn't get it. Like, we're not smart enough to figure it out. Not really related to Star Wars or Rogue One, so I'll just stop there.
I just felt like now they have to have people talk about how evil and bad everything is, just in case the audience doesn't get it. Like, we're not smart enough to figure it out. Not really related to Star Wars or Rogue One, so I'll just stop there.
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There was a u-wing in that formation also. The first time I've seen a live shot of one with it's wings back.
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The difference was, before? "White males" also helped oppose them--these last few iterations we kind of got confirmation they specifically are using women and people of color to defeat the evil white males.
First writer posted this.
Second writer posted this.
“Opposed by a multicultural group led by brave women.” Whitta added.
And that's the difference royal, the old Star Wars? Made hate an ideological choice--you joined the bad guys because you were a douche that believed in hateful things. These morons made it a biological thing, you are the bad guy because you belong to the group with the evil skin and genital combo.
Every classical 'white' person in both films, except Ford (And the lineless Luke)? Is Empire. That's not a mistake or oversight, its been a concerted choice. The one Storm Trooper to resist the evil? A black guy, lol. And despite it all, the films will do really well because they are MADE well--which should be enough to disprove the little racism/sexism theory these idiots have, and show 'white males' generally only care about quality, we don't actually give a fuck about this shit except for a fringe minority. But unfortunately, Star Wars gets forgotten because legitimately bad movies with women, like Ghostbusters are all the evidence needed to prove why this demographic is evil. =-/...Which will continue with the hypocrisy, which will continue to grow complaints and make people who wouldn't care before, care now--which will complete this Kafka trap.
In the end, I don't really care, it's not the actual choice that bugs me, its the outright hypocrisy of the blatant choices which completely contradict previous complaints about racism and sexism and stereotyping. But that's why the actual definition of racism and sexism had to change to add the 'power' thing.
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Royal
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This is probably the last response I make to this specific topic since I don't want to see this thread devolve into a Star Wars version of the Ghostbusters thread (a movie that, thankfully, I had zero interest in from the moment it was announced so it was no loss to peace out of that thread when it became a one note circle jerk with the occasional valid point of criticism).
Again, one has to be unfamiliar with the history of Star Wars if you think any of that is recent and not deeply embedded in the DNA of the franchise. One of the criticisms of the original movie made against it at the time it came out was that the cast was too white. Lucas's response to that was to expand the ranks of the non-Imperials to include other ethnicities (Lando and the Bespin police force) but he left the antagonists as exclusively white and male and further played up the parallels to the Nazis (he actually referred to them directly as Nazis in his commentary for The Empire Strikes Back). This theme was further magnified in Return of the Jedi as we saw numerous non-human species included in the Rebellion, but not in the Empire.
And at this point in the franchise's history we can't exclude the material in other platforms that has expanded it beyond it's original footprint in film. Many of the novels, some of them no longer canon but they were at the time, have specifically pointed out that other races and species were viewed as lesser than's in the ranks of the Imperial leadership. And that's what multi-cultural means in the context of Star Wars, in addition to the inclusion of multiple human ethnicities. And it has never had as it's footnote "the exclusion of white males". Then or now. Are you forgetting that the central premise of The Force Awakens is the effort to find the whereabouts of the very male and very white Luke Skywalker to enlist his help in leading the fight against The First Order? And the key to finding him is provided by Lor San Tekka (Max von Sydow).
As for Whitta's statement, while I believe he's speaking specifically in the context of Rogue One even then he's shortchanging those in the opposition. Mon Mothma was it's the key political leader at the time but Bail Organa was a close second.
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Yes, everyone knows Imperials were a metaphor for Nazis, and non-humans species not being represented in the Empire was a form of racism/supremacy (The whole BH scene they were commenting on more than their profession), while the Rebels had tons of aliens, which was a metaphor for different races/creeds/diversity. You'd have to be damn near blind to miss this, Lucas isn't exactly a subtle story teller, and that has nothing to do with my criticism.
Again, there is a difference between "too white' and "no whites on one side, all whites on the other"--You do realize white people were the ones who defeated the Nazis, right? Millions and millions of them. Nazism was an ideology, all Nazis were (Usually) white, but not all whites were Nazis. The majority of whites opposed them. Now, hopefully with that you can see the issue with all whites being Nazis and all non-whites opposing them (Which is effectively this film). But that is the point, I have no idea why you're bringing up the old films, Royal, when the problem in the new films is 100% not the same, at all.
The big difference is the old film made the Nazis element an ideology some people followed who were assholes. The new film is a lot more obtuse in trying to make it "this skin color+gender are the bad guys" while "this skin color+gender is not". Again, that's not a subtle difference as to the effect or message. And there is nothing wrong with calling it out for what it is, just like there was nothing wrong with the original criticism of it being too white.
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Trump guys getting cucked. Classic.
You're still going to suck on the Star Wars teat too, you have to! Ultimate cuck.
Bitch could be a recovering meth addict, trans, black-philipino, wheel-chair bound wo/man and if it's still a well done Star Wars movie I wouldn't care.
You're still going to suck on the Star Wars teat too, you have to! Ultimate cuck.
Bitch could be a recovering meth addict, trans, black-philipino, wheel-chair bound wo/man and if it's still a well done Star Wars movie I wouldn't care.
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Which is the irony, because it goes to prove the majority of white people are actually not racist, sexist jerk offs; they care more about the content of the movie than the races and sexes of people in it. Trying to make them mad with that won't work--because your belief doesn't match reality.
So you (And apparently writers and directors) have to resort to being more open about hostility toward them in social settings and pretty much directly insulting them and advocating bias against them to finally get that negative social feedback that proves your irrational adherence to some ideology is justified. I don't know man, I just feel bad for you and others like that. Must be awful needing so much smoke blown up your ass for what a good person you are that you twist your life around with some martyr complex to get it.
But, uhh, cry more about Trump. Because I'm sure showing everyone how salty you are over him being in power now, and desperately using the insult that got to you so bad you had to copy it, has the effect you think it does.
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We have to wait until the movie is released to know for certain but Galen Erso (Mads Mikkelsen) should end up being a key player in the effort to bring about the destruction of the Death Star. He's the one building the primary weapon for it sure, but if the Catalyst novel is any indicator he is not a willing participant in that role. As well as ...
Ian McElhinney (Ser Barristan in Game of Thrones) has supposedly been cast to play General Dodonna in Rogue One. This guy in the original movie:
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its always been canon in star wars that the empire is a human-first organization, remember the whole "bounty hunter scum" line and in SWTOR you were second class if you weren't human. All the star destroyer staff were humans and there were a number of "eww... aliens" moments shown by imperial staff like when escorting chewie around the death star. The Emperor just wanted to make the Empire great again.
they were NOT racist though against humans, black and brown people were just fine, but aliens were second class. There are also exceptions made if you were an alien and served the empire devotedly. this shit was written up years before the SJW movements
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they were NOT racist though against humans, black and brown people were just fine, but aliens were second class. There are also exceptions made if you were an alien and served the empire devotedly. this shit was written up years before the SJW movements
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