Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

I guess it's just had to comprehend that it has the "least emotional connection" as this particular entry to the story has a pretty significant impact on each of the main characters. Saying that you simply like one episode over the others is much easier for everyone to understand. I've always been in the minority among my friends and family in liking RotJ more so than Empire. However, I can't help but scratch my own head how Empire has the least of a emotional connection than any other Star Wars movie ever created. To each their own sure... I can respect that but it is puzzling.

I guess we probably take for granted just how much Star Wars being in the fabric of pop culture numbs us a bit. Hans fate, Darth's father reveal, etc. etc. is referenced far beyond the scope of even the Star Wars franchise. I'm not necessarily trying to figure it out but I think that's a big part of why my children were less moved by episodes 4-6. Though, RotJ is by far their favorite episode.

To address your point of earnings, I seriously doubt that is a result of emotional connections or preference of one episode over the other. You may not be alone in your preference of movies but I highly doubt if you were speaking directly to the emotional point, that anyone would rank Empire as the least. Again... to each their own I guess.

While looking at some react videos to the new trailer, I stumbled across those for the originals. It's jarring how much the style and production value of movie trailers has changed in the last 35 years. The trailer for the ANH doesn't look to have hardly any of the special effects in a finished state or even all of the sound effects in. It's also kinda funny how it opens with "Somewhere in space, this may all be happening right now" in spite of the words that would begin the movie itself.

I'm 100% sure back then trailers were basically 'fuck, let some intern figure it out'.

Muligan_sl said:

I guess it's just had to comprehend that it has the "least emotional connection" as this particular entry to the story has a pretty significant impact on each of the main characters. Saying that you simply like one episode over the others is much easier for everyone to understand. I've always been in the minority among my friends and family in liking RotJ more so than Empire. However, I can't help but scratch my own head how Empire has the least of a emotional connection than any other Star Wars movie ever created. To each their own sure... I can respect that but it is puzzling.

I guess we probably take for granted just how much Star Wars being in the fabric of pop culture numbs us a bit. Hans fate, Darth's father reveal, etc. etc. is referenced far beyond the scope of even the Star Wars franchise. I'm not necessarily trying to figure it out but I think that's a big part of why my children were less moved by episodes 4-6. Though, RotJ is by far their favorite episode.

To address your point of earnings, I seriously doubt that is a result of emotional connections or preference of one episode over the other. You may not be alone in your preference of movies but I highly doubt if you were speaking directly to the emotional point, that anyone would rank Empire as the least. Again... to each their own I guess.

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Yeah, I like plenty of terrible things and I don't apologize for that. I like Matrix 2 and 3. COME AT ME. I really love that netflix series Hemlock Grove. There's no accounting for taste and no one should ever have to apologize for it, even if we do give each other shit over it. So what? We're grown as fuck.

Even failing to connect with Empire I could kind f understand. Like, sure, maybe you never had issues with your father or for whatever reason just cant fathom the Rebellion and the seriousness of them putting everything on the line and choking. Seems strange, but really ok. Fine.But to then say "I can't emotionally connect with Empire really because I am so emotionally connected to Revenge of the Sith" is just nonsense. Fucking nonsense.

chaos_sl said:

Some people like the prequels. Some people even prefer them. That's weird, but whatever.

But in terms of the emotions portrayed on the screen, we're not in opinion territory anymore.

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If you want to take that road, go for it. There's more emotion portrayed on screen in the prequels than the OT.

https://youtu.be/BHJ0FyOug4g?t=6m58s

I just can't understand how people, except drooling idiots that just like lightsabers and tiny babies, like the prequels or prefer them over the star wars movies. I'm not even compare the emotional impact between them because that's a level of stupidity none of us mortals can reach.

chaos_sl said:

Yeah, I like plenty of terrible things and I don't apologize for that. I like Matrix 2 and 3. COME AT ME. I really love that netflix series Hemlock Grove. There's no accounting for taste and no one should ever have to apologize for it, even if we do give each other shit over it. So what? We're grown as fuck.

Even failing to connect with Empire I could kind f understand. Like, sure, maybe you never had issues with your father or for whatever reason just cant fathom the Rebellion and the seriousness of them putting everything on the line and choking. Seems strange, but really ok. Fine.But to then say "I can't emotionally connect with Empire really because I am so emotionally connected to Revenge of the Sith" is just nonsense. Fucking nonsense.

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I'd even give a centimeter of ground on the possibility that one could be more emotionally impacted by RoTS than by Empire. Despite plenty of blunders, Episode 3 did actually contain some well-done and impactful moments, so I suppose if you grew up on the prequels having not seen the originals until many years later, you might be able to get away with such an opinion. But The Phantom Fucking Menace? That rockets well outside the realm of any well-reasoned opinion. That's like saying you'd much prefer eating your grandmother's freshly-dumped shit out of her already-soiled Depends over a professionally baked chocolate cake. I know there are heathens out there that don't care for chocolate. Alright, fine. But if you're going to admit to such things, at least come back with a reasonable alternative.

I mean, I agree that one's priority in life shouldn't be gaining the acceptance of a bunch of anonymous dorks on the internets, but good God, man.

Sylas_sl said:

Mr. Plinketts Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace Review - YouTube

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Pretty much the definitive takedown of Episode 1.

Hell, he even directly references Edge right at the start, 30 seconds in...

Plinkett_sl said:

If you are someone who is under the age of like 20 and says his least favorite film in the series is Empire because it was "the most boringest one", then I suggest you shut this review off right now before I carefully explain how much of a fucking idiot you are."

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The Edge_sl said:

If you want to take that road, go for it. There's more emotion portrayed on screen in the prequels than the OT.

https://youtu.be/BHJ0FyOug4g?t=6m58s

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Overacting and melodrama, or grotesque and forced emotional reactions don't come out as "more emotion". If the emotions you present aren't genuine, they aren't registered. It's like watching a child scream on the floor because it's the end of the world that he isn't getting a toy--does it LOOK like a lot of emotions? Uhh yeah, but I know it's really nothing except some frustration. I know the kid has to make an exaggerated display of emotion because theactual emotional lossof whatever he's upset about is probably enormously insignificant. So he knows if he didn't overact or make outrageous emotional displays no one would pay attention because what he's upset over is irrelevant. That is what the prequels were, you needed these audacious displays of emotion because the actual scenes conveyed none. They were a series of emotional tantrums, a director screaming "THIS IS REALLY SAD...LIKE REALLY! SEE HOW SAD? LOOK AT THOSE TEARS!"

Meanwhile, watching an older person slip away while a family sits in stunned silence (Which I've seen) conveys an immense amount of deep emotions, even if the people don't have an emotional expression, the emotional empathy is there. The scene conveys it, so you only need very subtle expressions to produce a big impact. There is a genuineness there because of what the scene says. And that's the thing in the originals, the actors didn't need to overact, because the story and the scenes conveyed so much, their subtle expressions were just accents on things that were obvious to us--they didn't need to convince us they felt bad.

Have you ever seen a real person confronted with a tragedy or shocking loss? They often don't break down in this big emotional displays. Those stunned looks and almost surreal responses (Like talking normally about something horrifying) is actually what you see in scenes like that. In any case Edge, have you ever wondered if you have issues feeling emotions heh? I'm not trying to insult you, it's not an inherently bad thing. But you're always really off at picking up what most of us regard as genuine emotion (Beyond opinions on movies)...Maybe you have an inability to feel certain things and you've constructed carefully planned responses to emotional cues, which is why you assume an emotionally empty and sterile scene, with an outrageous and melodramatic response is actually emotionally engaging because all of you have the evaluating scale on what the cues you've carefully categorized. Like an algorythem measuring frown length, the number of tears and the duration of the emotional display to arrive at how sad something is--it usually works but becomes confused with terrible acting and melodramatic garbage. I don't know, just a thought man.

Zignor 3_sl said:

I'd even give a centimeter of ground on the possibility that one could be more emotionally impacted by RoTS than by Empire. Despite plenty of blunders, Episode 3 did actually contain some well-done and impactful moments, so I suppose if you grew up on the prequels having not seen the originals until many years later, you might be able to get away with such an opinion. But The Phantom Fucking Menace? That rockets well outside the realm of any well-reasoned opinion. That's like saying you'd much prefer eating your grandmother's freshly-dumped shit out of her already-soiled Depends over a professionally baked chocolate cake. I know there are heathens out there that don't care for chocolate. Alright, fine. But if you're going to admit to such things, at least come back with a reasonable alternative.

I mean, I agree that one's priority in life shouldn't be gaining the acceptance of a bunch of anonymous dorks on the internets, but good God, man.

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Episode III was just plagued by bad writing. The dialogue between Anakin and Padme was just atrocious. If they could have somehow fixed their lines or did anything to make less painful, it would have done a lot for me. I'm a huge Obi-Wan fan so I like Episode III the most out of the prequels and I felt it demonstrated the power of humility and compassion. It had great moments, really. Anakin and Padme were acting out how they were instructed i'm sure but I can think of several moments I wanted to just slice my wrists after they dialogue took place.

Isn't "The Edge" the guy that was creaming his pants over The Phantom Menace being put back in theaters in 3D? Disney ended up scrapping the idea of putting the other two prequels back in 3D after purchasing Lucas Arts.. right??

Chysamere_sl said:

Fail.

StarGeek 4 days ago
+Manta My opinions have changed, A LOT. Much more appreciation for the "finer" films.

StarGeek 2 months ago
+TaLambShow Yep! You're completely right. My opinions have changed, and most of what I say in this video is outdated.

Stargeek would be the creator of the video. He's changed his mind about pretty much everything he said in it and is considering putting out a new video with his updated opinion.

You might want to watch this.

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He might have changed his opinion. I haven't. That's the point to all this. I don't NEED to watch anything to influence my opinion, or to "educate" me. You come across like my bible-thumping mother, sending me videos, hoping that I'll "see the light" and be "saved." I've watched the Red Letter Media stuff, and I wholly disagree with it. If I really wanted to devote the time, I could tear that apart thoroughly. But I really don't care to. The world doesn't need more negativity, and in the end, it's not going to change your opinion anymore than you're going to change mine. And for reference, RLM also said that the Fast and Furious franchise was dead over a decade ago because people didn't care to see aging racers. Oops. There are a few here that I can tell would actually be able to have an intelligent, thoughtful discussion about all things Star Wars, I-VI. But most of you would rather be dismissive and turn to insults because someone doesn't agree with you. I believe there's a spot on Fox News with your name on it.

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He might have changed his opinion. I haven't. That's the point to all this. I don't NEED to watch anything to influence my opinion, or to "educate" me. You come across like my bible-thumping mother, sending me videos, hoping that I'll "see the light" and be "saved." I've watched the Red Letter Media stuff, and I wholly disagree with it. If I really wanted to devote the time, I could tear that apart thoroughly. But I really don't care to. The world doesn't need more negativity, and in the end, it's not going to change your opinion anymore than you're going to change mine. And for reference, RLM also said that the Fast and Furious franchise was dead over a decade ago because people didn't care to see aging racers. Oops. There are a few here that I can tell would actually be able to have an intelligent, thoughtful discussion about all things Star Wars, I-VI. But most of you would rather be dismissive and turn to insults because someone doesn't agree with you. I believe there's a spot on Fox News with your name on it.

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Fast and furious did die a decade ago, and no one wants to see aging racers. Now a die hard movie with an above average number of car scenes and even more ridiculous explosions branded as a fast and furious movie, that's something people want.

Creslin_sl said:

Fast and furious did die a decade ago, and no one wants to see aging racers. Now a die hard movie with an above average number of car scenes and even more ridiculous explosions branded as a fast and furious movie, that's something people want.

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This is what we call denial. You see it a lot in this thread.

chaos_sl said:

Bro, liking the prequels is fine, whatever. I don't even understand it, but it is fine. But that isn't what you said, you said you can't emotionally connect with what is, undisputedly, the emotional high point of the entire series. The darkest hour for the Rebels, the part where it really seemed like evil might triumph, Anakin be forever lost to the dark side, Luke never fulfill his promise, Han fucking die. That's just weird. The fact that you can't connect on an emotional level to that, but can to The Phantom Menace, there is something on a basic level that makes me not understand you.

t seems to many people, myself included, like you're just trolling, because emotions are pretty standard across the board, that's why we can relate to things, and your response isn't what the rest of us record. It isn't opinion, this is lizard brain shit.

This isn't even an original story really, same shit retold for thousands of years. It's like saying I can't emotionally identify with Shakepeare but The Wiggles gets to me every time.

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The end of Empire, with Luke, Leia, R2, and 3PO looking out the window as the Falcon flies away set to that music, with all the uncertainty hanging there makes it one of the best endings of any movie ever. How someone can watch that and not feel incredible emotion blows my mind