Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

etchazz_sl said:

But the problem is THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL STAR WARS MOVIE! If I did a shot for shot remake of "The Godfather", but with all new actors and set in 2015 and called it "Godfather 4" you're telling me you'd think it was as good as the original? Of course you wouldn't because that would be retarded.

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Well, that's why everyone's calling it a "soft reboot" but that's actually kind of dumb and just trying to excuse the movie's faults. Its a sequel, and part of a series, not a soft reboot. I understand your complaints but I think the movie's good enough to show that the series is moving forward and its way more fun than the prequels. If this formula continues with Ep 8 pantomiming ESB then yeah, I'm officially annoyed or pissed. Right now I can overlook it. Again, I feel like the secondary stand alone movies might be better than this main trilogy.

Tuco_sl said:

edit: You know, I don't see it. I agree with you.

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Yeah, his bone structure and that nose don't look like either of the parent actors at all. Maybe I'm alone on that, but I thought about it numerous times watching the movie once he was officially named as their son.

Nester_sl said:

Are we sure Ben actualy took that saber to the gut? I always thought it was odd that he never left a body, the other force ghosts did when they "died." i always felt like he just poofed himself at the exact right time.

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Yeah, I just watched ANH recently before watching TFA and Obi-Wan definitely disappears and his robe/saber hit the ground before Vader's saber hits him. Also when I was younger I thought he was stepping on his robe to make sure he was dead, now when I watch it, it looks like Vader is scratching his head like wtf just happened?

Famm_sl said:

All the talk about Kylo and I don't think anyone's mentioned that he looks nothing like Han OR Leia. How is Adam Driver supposed to be a believable casting choice???

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I don't know, Harrison Ford's hair was fabulous in ANH and Kylo's hair is just as fabulous despite pulling off that helmet.

Famm_sl said:

Yeah, his bone structure and that nose don't look like either of the parent actors at all. Maybe I'm alone on that, but I thought about it numerous times watching the movie once he was officially named as their son.

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It's been mentioned before but it didn't get a lot of discussion. If we started making a list of actors cast in the roles who didn't resemble the actors cast in their parents roles it would end up being pretty long one. As long as he does a good job with the role Driver's physical differences from Fisher and Ford won't frequently cross my mind. I think he did in this first installment.

Don't forget that kids sometimes look more like their grandparents than their parents, so for all we know, he is a dead ringer for Han's parents ;P

What new canon book has Luke being a bad ass? GoogleFu says there's a book where he goes to Devaron but it looks like that is a flashback to before Empire. I think we all want Luke to be a supreme jedi god, but there isn't anything that says that's the case. He only won on Death Star II because he let the Dark Side in to beat Vader, then pushed it out again when he realized how easy it was to fall. The Emperor would have killed him if not for Vader.

I'm guessing that fan service will show us something good at some point in a book or movie, but I can't find anything as of yet.

Also was thinking of the 'stan alone' movies. If they do want to make Rey a Kenobi, his offspring could make an appearance in Rouge One, or even the Han Solo movie. Could have the Marvel treatment where Main Characters are set up in other movies, then fleshed out in the main ones.

mures_sl said:

Yeah, I just watched ANH recently before watching TFA and Obi-Wan definitely disappears and his robe/saber hit the ground before Vader's saber hits him. Also when I was younger I thought he was stepping on his robe to make sure he was dead, now when I watch it, it looks like Vader is scratching his head like wtf just happened?

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Yeah, same here. When I was a kid I thought he was checking too. But then watching it as an adult it's pretty obvious vader is all, "wtf was that? Some kind of jedi mind trick bullshit?"

the black dude is gonna go MtF in the next installment.

a_skeleton_02_sl said:

So what character in the series will continue the time honored star wars tradition of having a limb removed?

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For the ultimate SWJ shout out they make the Disney Princes a mind-quad!

a_skeleton_02_sl said:

So what character in the series will continue the time honored star wars tradition of having a limb removed?

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I could have sworn at the end of the Kylo Ren/Rey fight a piece of him went flying and landed next to him after Rey fucked him up. From what I have read though that does not appear to be the case, maybe it was a hunk of cloak or hair or something.

There was a link a few pages back, 11 differences from the novelization or something, where the guy who stole the Falcon tracked Rey down to Maz's place and Chewbecca rips off his arm. Also commented on how Disney was not likely to put that scene in the movie for.. reasons.

On a side note, my five year old insists that the little green guy's name is Toyota. He won't let me correct him, so I'm going with it.

My eldest called him "yodel" for years so of course the other two did. They kept calling him that past high school just to spite me.

Went to see it a second time this morning and I'm liking it even more. I put it solidly on par with ANH just behind ESB and admittedly even part of that might be out of just pure deference to the original issue. There was better chemistry between the main ANH characters but the acting across the board is so much better in TFA. It's just a toss up at this point.

I'm one of those who doesn't really see the problems with it's pacing that many have mentioned. It has sufficient lulls between the action for me. Maybe part of it Finn's constant get the hell outta Dodge routine.

I do wish they had strung Rey's awakening out a little more. Maybe something along the lines of having her unconsciously using the mind trick in her haggling with the junk dealer to get some extra food for her stuff and seeming perplexed that he actually listened to her.

I mentioned before that the new music was underwhelming. Rey's Theme that people linked doesn't do much for me just listening to it on it's own (and sounds more like it would be something from a Harry Potter movie) but it actually works pretty well in the scenes they used it in. I dunno how well it's going to fit in different sorts of scenes going forward though. Seems limited.

Finn didn't do as well in his saber fight with Ren as it originally seemed he did. He spent the whole fight on the defensive, got his one lucky blow in, then Ren decided play time was over and put him down. Rey's feeling the force moment on the edge of the chasm took too long though.

Rey's theme is dopey but its not even the weakest one in the soundtrack. I bought the soundtrack the same time I bought the novelization so I could listen to it while reading and, well, it's prolly John Williams' worst.

I mean, as iconic as Luke's theme was, the villian themes like the Imperial March are easily the fan favorites... but Snoke's theme is like phoned-in sophomore stuff:



You don't need a link to the Imperial March because it doesn't have a hope of living up to that.... In fact, it doesn't even live up to some prequel shit. Hell, General Grievous' theme has more traction since it's easily the second most identifiable track next to Duel of the Fates:

Royal_sl said:

Rey's feeling the force moment on the edge of the chasm took too long though.

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One of the things that really bothered me was this scene. They could have done it with them 20 feet apart instead, not when he's right on you with the sabers locked in right above your head fighting to the death, yeah sure good time to close your eyes at that point he won't do anything, and he didn't, which made it a little ridiculous.

Did she pick up knowledge about the jedi mind trick from somewhere else before trying it? Don't remember if she did so that seemed out of place too, learning all this shit on her own.
Still a great movie, I'm not going to rank it, it's better than the last 3 shit movies and that's all that counts.

Finally got to see it. I thought it was great. I did roll my eyes a few times for the constant "nostalgia" similarities between the first and this one. I understand why they did it, but still got a chuckle out of me.

Han and Luke looked great and could actually tell they were Han/Luke. Leia on the other hand, I would of never recognized her if someone didn't say her name, looks completely different.

I laughed(literally) when Kylo took his mask off, he went from super cool to wtf. His tantrums were hilarious also. He was all badass(stopping a blaster shot and freezing it) and then turns into a teenager. It was very weird. I get that he is still in training and still has "pulls" to the light-side, just felt weird.

I thought the Finn/Stormtrooper fight was silly, like why is this stormtrooper carrying around a weapon(where the fuck was he carrying it anyway) to fight light-sabers, when the only one is on his side.

All the air battles were awesome.

I think Rey is Luke's daughter. He put her on Jakku to keep her safe. My guess is after Ren(Ben) turns he kills all the other jedi luke was training. Plus kills Lukes girlfriend/wife. So Luke stashes her away from him(another callback). Will also setup a future where Kylo can mock/anger her with "I also killed your mother" and she can get a revenge on him. I except a "Rey, I am your Father" line from Luke next movie.

As for complaints about the final fight, I don't see them. Kylo seemed to be toying with Finn, who looked like he had no clue what he was doing and after getting a lucky shot in, Kylo decides enough is enough. And for Rey , it's a simple matter of the Force guiding her movements. Hell iirc, in the first movie, Luke was blocking blaster bolts from the tiny probe without any training what so ever. Just a matter of letting the Force take over your movements.

I really hope they don't kill off Luke, but I am worried they will, and he will do something like Obi-wan did. Otherwise very excited for the future movies and spinoffs. If its anywhere close to what they have done with Marvel, I will be quite happy.

Xenrauk_sl said:

One of the things that really bothered me was this scene. They could have done it with them 20 feet apart instead, not when he's right on you with the sabers locked in right above your head fighting to the death, yeah sure good time to close your eyes at that point he won't do anything, and he didn't, which made it a little ridiculous.

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A little weird I thought also, but at least they pre-faced it with Kylo asking her to join him, so you can semi explain it away as him waiting for her response and her thinking about it, as to why he doesn't just finish her when she closes her eyes.

Xenrauk_sl said:

Did she pick up knowledge about the jedi mind trick from somewhere else before trying it?

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Nothing on screen. You can surmise that she had heard about it as part of the legends and mumbo jumbo concerning the jedi that people may have talked about in stories and such. People other than jedi have been aware that it was one of their abilities in the previous movies.

khorum_sl said:

Rey's theme is dopey but its not even the weakest one in the soundtrack. I bought the soundtrack the same time I bought the novelization so I could listen to it while reading and, well, it's prolly John Williams' worst.

I mean, as iconic as Luke's theme was, the villian themes like the Imperial March are easily the fan favorites... but Snoke's theme is like phoned-in sophomore stuff:

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Snoke's theme serves its purpose in the film though. It might not be iconic, but some bombastic Imperial March type thing would've felt out of place in the only setting we ever see him in. Maybe the only mistake was calling it "Snoke's Theme"