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TrollfaceDeux

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No. NOT exactly. What is "exact' about personal opinion?

The shooting became a national sensation. Every President going all the way back to George "Horatio Gates Scandal" Washington HAS to reply to national sensations. They don't reply to all and they don't always reply intelligently but they have ALL replied. You have no idea if he was "asked" or not. That's just pure conjecture to lend credence to your opinion (or implanted opinion).

I must have missed the speech where Obama said "The MAIN reason I made these comments was 'kill whitey'/'uppity negro'!" In the real world, you have NO idea what the MAIN reason was. You are very open to inserting the narrative spoon-fed you by CNN/FOX/NBC/ABC/CBS/Internet, but youactually have no idea. This is the problem I always have with these discussions.

You have opinion and platitudes and that's about it.

Again, I give zero fucks if GZ was a George Rockwell disciple out to purge the darkies or if Treyvon was a straight Elijah Muhammad dicksucker with "kill all the white man" tattooed on his face. Just don't make up shit for people to support your point of view.


obama played his card

and lost.
 

Sebudai

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You seem to believe that if race was a factor in these comments, there would be some pretty serious implications, and I can't figure out why. To me, race being a factor in these comments is a totally benign fact, and it's weird to me that it sparked a multi-page argument. "Platitudes"? My "point of view"? What are you even talking about?

You have no idea if he was "asked" or not.
The journalist who prompted him for his comments specifically mentions "lingering racism." The main reason the story became a national sensation at all was because of its racial implications (and Stand Your Ground). Race was a factor in Obama's comments, and so what? Why is this such a bad thing if this is the case? Why expend so much effort arguing against this?
 

Screamfeeder

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obama played his card

and lost.
Hi. You must be new. I'm Screamfeeder. Pleasure.

So you play me the video I already saw. The video I don't think you actually watched or you would understand the underlying point I was making. Let me ask you something Trollface. What exactly does Obama MEAN when he said "aaaaand eyyya I think every parent in America uhh should be able to understand uhh why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this"

Please, explain that statement to me. You obviously are very good at explaining his other statements so you should be able to explain that one.

Wait...whats that? You figured just posting the video would be enough to enforce a point you never actually tried to make? Good job Ghostface. Sure won a big victory for calm rational thought over bombastic sensationalized rhetoric there didn't you?

I'll ask the same of you as I ask of Merlin. Explain your EXACT thought process to posting that video and why you thought it was reinforcing whatever point you failed miserably to make.

Why expend so much effort arguing against this?
See. You missed the part where I said I could give a shit about This or That. I just hate it when people use their subjective opinions about something that someone else could subjectively see 180 degrees differently and then attempt to pass off that subjectivity as "fact".
 

Sebudai

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See. You missed the part where I said I could give a shit about This or That. I just hate it when people use their subjective opinions about something that someone else could subjectively see 180 degrees differently and then attempt to pass off that subjectivity as "fact".
I guess I incorrectly assumed there was a reason people gave a shit about this that I just wasn't picking up on, and that you clowns didn't just spend like 5 pages arguing over something that is literally completely meaningless and benign with zero implications about anything one way or the other. Boy do I feel foolish. From now on I'll just assume that if you're arguing about it, it probably doesn't matter. At all.
 

Screamfeeder

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I guess I incorrectly assumed there was a reason people gave a shit about this that I just wasn't picking up on, and that you clowns didn't just spend like 5 pages arguing over something that is literally completely meaningless and benign with zero implications about anything one way or the other. Boy do I feel foolish. From now on I'll just assume that if you're arguing about it, it probably doesn't matter. At all.
You did. You should. Good plan.
 

Sebudai

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If I claimed 'President Obama is Right-handed,' how many paragraphs do you guys think Screamfeeder would use to correct me?
 

Screamfeeder

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You didn't. Race was a factor in Obama's comments.
Campaign money was a factor in Obama's comments. Political clout was a factor in Obama's comments. The economy was a factor in Obama's comments. The Gays were a factor in Obama's comments.

I have the same or more evidence to my opinion than you do of yours. I can draw conclusions with the best of them.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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Hi. You must be new. I'm Screamfeeder. Pleasure.

So you play me the video I already saw. The video I don't think you actually watched or you would understand the underlying point I was making. Let me ask you something Trollface. What exactly does Obama MEAN when he said "aaaaand eyyya I think every parent in America uhh should be able to understand uhh why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this"

Please, explain that statement to me. You obviously are very good at explaining his other statements so you should be able to explain that one.

Wait...whats that? You figured just posting the video would be enough to enforce a point you never actually tried to make? Good job Ghostface. Sure won a big victory for calm rational thought over bombastic sensationalized rhetoric there didn't you?

I'll ask the same of you as I ask of Merlin. Explain your EXACT thought process to posting that video and why you thought it was reinforcing whatever point you failed miserably to make.
what the fuck are you talking about again? I stopped reading after "I am Screamfeeder."
 

Screamfeeder

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what the fuck are you talking about again? I stopped reading after "I am Screamfeeder."
Actually, I am just being pedantic and argumentative because I'm bored and drinking scotch that costs more than Cad's retainer. XOXO

Edit - And I used the contraction of "I am" (I'm). At least quote me correctly, swine.
 

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See. You missed the part where I said I could give a shit about This or That. I just hate it when people use their subjective opinions about something that someone else could subjectively see 180 degrees differently and then attempt to pass off that subjectivity as "fact".
See. You missed the part where I said I could give a shit about the race card used in this situation.

The fact is that it was used. Don't care. There wasn't a person that heard his comment or read it that didn't think to themselves he only said the black kid looked like his kid might have because Obama is also black. Why does that have to be a bad thing? Obama is black, Trayvon was black. They look alike. Biden is white, Amanda Knox's roommate was white.

Race was a factor in the comments made. FACT.
 

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According to retards like fana, liberals cry racism at every criticism of Obama. Just bringing it up is a kind of victory for these idiots, because to them it signals a Godwin victory. When, in fact, people are just mocking the actual raging racists out there who are absurdly over critical of every goddamn thing Obama does to the point of lunacy. Some are always like that with any government official, some are like that for anyone in the Other Party, but for some special reason so many have come out of the woodwork for this guy in particular. You know, the people who are convinced he is a Muslim born in Africa working with Al-Quada because gosh who knows. Such as some Republican Congressmen and Presidential candidates. But also people who never once said a peep about anything political in the 35 years you have known them who suddenly are spamming facebook with absolutely idiotic chain posts that aren't even remotely close to containing facts. And you're going to say it's just a coincidence that they choose this moment to start caring? Give me a fucking break. I don't even like the guy but I started him because the shit people criticize him for is so often either flat out untrue or just fucking absurd.

There's an easy test for this. If someone is bashing Obama, just bring up welfare. If they go on a rant about black mamas popping out kids and buying Cadillacs, you can be reasonably sure they are more than a little bit prejudiced. Or they are just a dumbass. Would you rather be racist or a dumbass?

Hell, do you remember anyone absolutely losing their shit when Clinton won on a promise of universal fucking healthcare? You know, ACTUAL goddamn socialism?

Also, the "Trayvon could have been my son" comment was fucking idiotic.
 

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kreugan is the king of bottom trolling the most idiotic stories he can find and putting words in other peoples mouths.


In the end the president aligned himself with a drug addict(lean came out in autopsy) criminal(previous to incident), the naacp and other minority organizations all used the presidents comments to fuel their arguments which was all heavily race based, they constantly called stand your ground racist.

you guys are treating a veteran politician like he's stupid and he doesn't know how his words will be interpreted, when that's literally the main job of a politician. Obama wants gun control changes he's made speeches about it before the incident occurred and after he specifically used the incident to push that angle, the organizations he pandered too (minority ones like the naacp and al sharpton's organization) went on to vigorously protest stand your ground all over the country. You guys don't understand how politicians work apparently.