Weak logic and double standard. By that argument, turning around and getting one from a woman makes you straight again.
Since when does Orientation flip flop that easily?
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Since when does Orientation flip flop that easily?
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If getting a blow job from a guy makes you gay then if a guy guys down on you while you sleep then you are gay despite your sexual preference.
But if sexual preference determines if you are gay then accepting a guy sucking you off does not necessarily mean you prefer being sucked off by men.
If from whom you will accept sexual acts determines your sexual preference (but not whom you prefer) then I posit that the vast majority of humanity is omnisexual.
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First, that dude (your ambiguously gay friend) is fucked up no matter what the cause, so you need to follow the old adage about not sticking your dick in the crazy. Seriously, even if you somehow got him to do stuff with you, the chances of him freaking out over it are super high, so do you really want to actually fuck him and then deal with all the crazy afterwards? Better to just walk away now and be better off for it because now you can focus on finding someone that does actually want to be with you.
As far as the blow job making you gay thing, obviously it doesn't just turn a switch on and suddenly you are gay. ZyyzYzzy was obviously making an overly general statement, but you are taking it to the extreme on purpose just to argue about it. There's a difference between guys that would take a BJ from a man, and guys that wouldn't. You can call it homophobia or whatever you want, but the simple truth is that a lot/most/some made up % would never knowingly accept a BJ from a dude. Sure, we can make up scenarios where we don't realize it is a dude, but that isn't what we are talking about. Same thing with a gay guy letting a girl blow him. I'm sure there are gay guys that would do it, but I'd bet a lot of them wouldn't. What's the difference? It's just a BJ right? Why can't a gay guy take one from a girl? It all feels the same if you close your eyes, right? Because he doesn't like girls. Just like heterosexual men don't like men. Selix happens to not care, but a large percentage of both homosexual and heterosexual men definitely do.
And while I have absolutely no data to back me up, I'd challenge your supposition that the vast majority of humanity is omnisexual. Maybe you are right, but I don't see it. Perhaps our own perspectives color our judgment, because you don't care while I can't ever see myself in a situation where I don't.
As far as the blow job making you gay thing, obviously it doesn't just turn a switch on and suddenly you are gay. ZyyzYzzy was obviously making an overly general statement, but you are taking it to the extreme on purpose just to argue about it. There's a difference between guys that would take a BJ from a man, and guys that wouldn't. You can call it homophobia or whatever you want, but the simple truth is that a lot/most/some made up % would never knowingly accept a BJ from a dude. Sure, we can make up scenarios where we don't realize it is a dude, but that isn't what we are talking about. Same thing with a gay guy letting a girl blow him. I'm sure there are gay guys that would do it, but I'd bet a lot of them wouldn't. What's the difference? It's just a BJ right? Why can't a gay guy take one from a girl? It all feels the same if you close your eyes, right? Because he doesn't like girls. Just like heterosexual men don't like men. Selix happens to not care, but a large percentage of both homosexual and heterosexual men definitely do.
And while I have absolutely no data to back me up, I'd challenge your supposition that the vast majority of humanity is omnisexual. Maybe you are right, but I don't see it. Perhaps our own perspectives color our judgment, because you don't care while I can't ever see myself in a situation where I don't.
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I think you may be confusing love with sex. Let's use an example.
Let's say for argument that you have two guys who like the taste of vanilla ice cream but they both prefer not to eat ice cream (they prefer yogurt) and in general avoid ice cream. Now when at a party ice cream is presented to them Guy A actively chooses not to eat the ice cream despite enjoying the taste while Guy B will enjoy the ice cream because it's there in front of him.
The thing about the ice cream is that both Guys enjoy it no matter what they decide to do with the ice cream when presented with it and that both of them will still choose to avoid it when it is not actively being presented to them. Neither of then prefers ice cream (especially over yogurt) and guy B is not now a ice cream lover having decided to enjoy it when it was presented to him (especially over yogurt).
Replace ice cream with blowjob. Now you can say you don't like blowjobs from non ideal sources but if you are a normally functioning male then your penis will respond to any stimulation regardless of it's source provided it's not painful. You may choose to actively refuse any sources of stimulation not of your ideal preference and another guy may choose to accept any source of stimulation not of your ideal preference but in both cases you would physically enjoy said stimulation.
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If a man places his mouth around your shaft/head and moves up and down at least twice, then you are gay. And so is he. You can say bisexual if you want. It's the same thing as supertouch. No matter what anyone says that dude is gay.
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Setting aside your comparison of ice cream flavors to blow jobs that I don't agree with, I think you're being far too simplistic in your analysis. YOU are the one that used the term omnisexual, not me. Sexual, in the manner that I think of it at least, is far more than just physical sensations. It isn't necessarily love (to use your term), but it includes things like mental stimulation, attraction, lust, whatever terms you want to use that are more than just "rubbing my dick."
You're simplifying things way too much, and excluding all of the factors except physical stimulation. If someone lubes up a Fleshlight and jerks me off with it, that's pretty much the same thing as a blowjob, right? How about a warm melon? How about a sheep? Or to be really gross, a fresh dead body? I mean, those are all similar sensations, right? So why should any of them matter to us? We should all be omni-fuck-sual and not discriminate against freshly dead holes, right?
Do you see what I'm getting at? If you're going to use the word sexual, you need to include things like mental stimulation too. We aren't just dicks suspended in a sensory deprivation tank. We think, we rationalize, we lust, all that stuff. If you want to just talk about physical stimulation only, then I would contest that you can't use the word sexual.
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Because sexual != gay != lesbian != straight. If someone says they are straight I assume that means they prefer someone of the opposite sex. That does't mean to me that if they occasionally (or use to occasionally) engage in sex for fun with someone of the same sex that they are now gay/lesbian/bi. To me sex != love and love + sexual preference determine orientation. What you do or experiment with for fun is just fun and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Like recreational drug usage does not make you a drug addict.
Like driving a car does not make you a race car driver.
Like having an emotional breakdown does not make you a mental health patient.
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I certainly can't argue with the three examples you gave at the end, in a vacuum. However, I think it is a little bit of a leap to lump sexuality in with those same comparisons, but I don't have a good way to argue that either without simply bringing up more analogies, which we all know are suspect. Mine would basically come down to, "I don't want a guy to suck my dick, because it wouldn't turn me on." I suppose an appropriate comparison to the drug example would be that I don't want to take drugs that make me hyper, I only want to take drugs that make me sleepy. Or something along those lines. But is that even what you're driving at? I'm not sure.
This whole thing was originated (correct me if I'm wrong) by you taking exception to the statement that if a guy sucks you're dick, you automatically turn gay. Obviously that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you're arguing it as if it is a real statement, so I can't really say much more when the premise is so tenuous to begin with. And the whole omnisexual thing is obviously a difference of definition between us, because first it sounded like you were simply talking about physical stimulation, now you're talking about experimentation or recreational sex, so I am not even sure what we are arguing anymore. And I don't have the debate skills of a Lithose or the stubbornness of a hodj to argue simply for the sake of arguing. Yeah, I do think that if you recreationally let a guy suck your dick, you're not *exactly* the same as someone that won't. Does that mean you're gay? Not necessarily. But even if there isn't a word for it, there is a distinction to be made, and that's essentially what people were saying. Yeah, it's an exaggeration, but it IS a distinction. At least to me, anyway.